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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 11:40
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
With all the possible words they could have chosen they went with one that basically makes no sense.

Dictionary definition of aviator: the operator or pilot of an aircraft and especially an airplane.

So the fresh faced young clerk at HQ will be called an aviator?! Brilliant!

I don’t really mind changing the titles of people to avoid offense but at least choose something that is logical.

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Go on then Bob, what is a more “logical” choice?
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Give me £100,000 and I’ll gladly have a think for you.

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😂😂. I am sure that you would be good value at that but I think you are needed where you are!

I know that many have tried to think of a ‘better’ title than aviator but it is easier to dislike this choice than think of a better one! ‘Soldiers’ and ‘sailors’ are both accepted without thought because we have used them for so long. Like it or not, and many on here clearly do not, many serving today dislike the collective term ‘airmen’.
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Ungendered and then you can have Desk Jockeys, Jet Jockeys, Tech Jockeys….
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Jockey

Ungendered and then you can have Desk Jockeys, Jet Jockeys, Tech Jockeys….
Sock Jockeys etc.

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I’ll wait to see what they decide, shrug my shoulders and continue to operate and fly.

It makes no difference to what they call me, it changes my job not a bit.

As long as the job gets done, which it still does and will, I’m good. Who knew that people with beards, LBTQ+ Personnel and those that like to be called “ they” still do everything that their predecessors did.

They’re just happier doing it.
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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 12:46
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I don't know Pan Pan Pan might go as that infers a male..
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So what's wrong with just "belting up" and getting on with the job at hand.?
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My dear chap, or chapess, neither a chap nor chapess, a transiting chap or chapess, an ex chap or chapess, haven't you heard, the lovies are running the world now, and it's time we woke up to that fact.
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I originally posted this in the Air Cadets thread, but Haraka reckons it deserves a mention here:

CAS gave a state of the nation talk for the Royal Aeronautical Soc last night. Included: a net zero Air Force - tick; swarming drones - tick; space command - tick, tick; getting quickly to 40% of recruits being female - tick; more % from ethnic communities and disadvantaged backgrounds - tick.

But on reinvigorating the Air Cadet movement (which did a very good job of bringing in youths from both sexes, and all social backgrounds) - not a word.
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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 14:10
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My dear chap, or chapess, neither a chap nor chapess, a transiting chap or chapess, an ex chap or chapess, haven't you heard, the lovies are running the world now, and it's time we woke up to that fact.
Transition altitude and level are also being renamed to altimeter changing zone too…….Can’t say transition anymore :-)
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I expect the first rank she will object to is "seaman."
Already gone - ABs are now Able Rates. Midshipman is probably the only 'offending' rank in the RN these days - so just replace it with 'Ensign' to fit in with USN practice and we're good to go!. And other than the aforementioned 'aircraftsman' and 'rifleman/signalman' ranks,. there's not a lot else so her review should be over by tea time.

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Just as well we disbanded the FANY's, imagine the uproar they would cause.
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Not forgetting the Queen Bee at a Station Commander's meeting in the 60's regarding temporary hutted WRAF toilets.

"You must understand that my girls all require a permanent erection"

Allegedly.
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I've also heard the term NOTAM causing serious contemplation and head scratching amongst those that focus on all things gender. Obviously it comes from Notice to Airmen. Even though its an acronym that has pretty much become a word in its own right, it has unacceptable gender specific history/connotations.
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Just as well we disbanded the FANY's, imagine the uproar they would cause.
Oh no we didn't...

https://www.fany.org.uk/
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Ha! DWRAF (or was it DDWRAF?) visited RAF Stanley in ‘83, reviewing the suitability for WRAF deployments. I escorted her to our Tactical AR1 site in the rocks on the north side of the airfield ... through the mud. “Where are your ablution facilities here?” she enquired. One of my FS controllers answered ... “You’re standing on them, Ma’am.” I don’t know if Stanley ever got WRAF staff.



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Don't tell me.
First of all the demands to deploy with Harrier Force in the field in RAFG ( to do what exactly?)
Followed by a stream of conditions to build facilities (in the field) to separate the girls from the boys.

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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 19:13
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Don't tell me.
First of all the demands to deploy with Harrier Force in the field in RAFG ( to do what exactly?)
Followed by a stream of conditions to build facilities (in the field) to separate the girls from the boys.

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Surely that is part of the problem, having male and female accommodation. To integrate fully you need mixed accommodation, you can change the names of everything to be all inclusive, but until you go fully intergrated you’re just pissing around the edges. I don’t book into a hotel and get sent to a male only building, so why have any difference..

https://partner.sciencenorway.no/for...gender/1398746
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Ha! DWRAF (or was it DDWRAF?) visited RAF Stanley in ‘83, reviewing the suitability for WRAF deployments. I escorted her to our Tactical AR1 site in the rocks on the north side of the airfield ... through the mud. “Where are your ablution facilities here?” she enquired. One of my FS controllers answered ... “You’re standing on them, Ma’am.” I don’t know if Stanley ever got WRAF staff.
They arrived at Stanley in around '85 I believe. Up 'til then, everything went swimmingly. Bring a Boss nights in the JRM next to the Flotel were a good way of meeting up with the lads who you didn't meet at work every day and often broke the ice. After the girls arrived, they set up little friendships with the lads, and at one BaB night, a JO was chatting amiably with one of the WRAFs on his section. Unfortunately, a young stud thought that this was someone moving in on his girlfriend and attacked him with a bottle. The aftermath? BaB evenings were banned and it became a them and us. On another occasion, one of the WRAFs who was circulating through airmen dumped her current "boyfriend" who subsequently got very drunk and smashed the windows of several Land Rovers parked outside the Flotel. There were lots of examples: the mobile Met Forecasters stated that the Christmas of '85 was the bleakest that they had. Rather than be invited to parties, they found that all the WRAFs had been invited instead, and with number limits being enforced then the Met Men were excluded. At this time, I tried to book an Eric to take one of my shifts on their 4 day mid-tour R&R to a farm on West Falkland. I could not get one, because the Erics were busy ferrying WRAFs to and from the various parties at the outposts and radar sites. (The chaps used one of their annual travel warrants to go via FIGAS). I could go on, but time and space prevents me from mentioning all of the problems that having just 35 WRAFs at Stanley on a camp of around 700 men caused after things had run smoothly for a couple of years.
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