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It’s not the fact it’s being changed, but the hidden costs involved, every single document, form, label that refers to the old ranks will need to be replaced, money that could be spent elsewhere on the basic infrastructure, at Cosford I couldn’t believe the state of the hangar roofs where the hangar would flood when it rained.
Nutty.....dear boy....such antiquated thinking and backwards priorities you have....you mean like spend money upon training and readiness....pay raises....all that kind of fluff?
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We must adapt as we advance to those sunlit uplands ... umm ... personlit uplands.
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Damn, I now feel guilty about thinking of selfishly blowing the budget on sensible items to the actual benefit of those serving when I should have been thinking all along of squandering it on frivolous items that will no doubt be changed again 12 months down the line.
It doesn’t take much to get you lot all riled up does it?!
I think the outrage has gone on long enough.
I’m a serving Officer and it doesn’t bother me one bit. I agree it’s not the best way to spend the money (it may be pro rata and her work may be done in a few months). If it makes a few people happy then so be it. It will not change our fighting effectiveness for the worse so, for the sake of your blood pressure just let it slide and find something else to twist your knickers.
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I think the outrage has gone on long enough.
I’m a serving Officer and it doesn’t bother me one bit. I agree it’s not the best way to spend the money (it may be pro rata and her work may be done in a few months). If it makes a few people happy then so be it. It will not change our fighting effectiveness for the worse so, for the sake of your blood pressure just let it slide and find something else to twist your knickers.
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Well , we can change Aircraftsman to Aircraftswomen if it makes you happy but its not the point.
Banging on about this sort of stuff in a military whose sole purpose is the use of lethal force to maintain security and further vital national interests conveys the impression of a lack of seriousness.
Lord save us if there is a serious hot conflict.
I doubt that Putin or Xi Jinping take the threat of concerted military response from the West seriously at all.
Maybe just fold the whole thing up and accept that China is the future.
Banging on about this sort of stuff in a military whose sole purpose is the use of lethal force to maintain security and further vital national interests conveys the impression of a lack of seriousness.
Lord save us if there is a serious hot conflict.
I doubt that Putin or Xi Jinping take the threat of concerted military response from the West seriously at all.
Maybe just fold the whole thing up and accept that China is the future.
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So looking at the RAF structure the only real contentious ones are AC, LAC and SAC, as we already have aircrew, simply change them to Groundcrew, Leading Groundcrew and Senior Groundcrew, it’s neutral and differentiates rolls too.
Where do I pick up my third share of £110000?
I do wonder if “she” (am I allowed to say that) will go after engineering terms like male and female connectors that are a simple and accurate way to describe fittings that make sense when when translating from the written word to the physical.
Where do I pick up my third share of £110000?
I do wonder if “she” (am I allowed to say that) will go after engineering terms like male and female connectors that are a simple and accurate way to describe fittings that make sense when when translating from the written word to the physical.
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Bob, The question should be; is a diversity chief essential to the operational effectiveness of the armed forces? Just what kind of improvement for the greater good does this lady bring? Does it help present the armed forces in a more desirable image even? That is to say, does it sharpen HM Forces credibility internationally? The answer depends on who you ask I suppose. It might get a favourable reception among the readership of the Guardian/Observer, then again, these are the people who find the greatest difficult understanding why we have a standing air force anyway. This lady's appointment is pure politics. If the term airman is banned, for example, how are they going to enforce it? Threaten disciplinary action for accidentally uttering it? Then again it might just be matter of generational perceptions after all.
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So looking at the RAF structure the only real contentious ones are AC, LAC and SAC, as we already have aircrew, simply change them to Groundcrew, Leading Groundcrew and Senior Groundcrew, it’s neutral and differentiates rolls too.
Where do I pick up my third share of £110000?
I do wonder if “she” (am I allowed to say that) will go after engineering terms like male and female connectors that are a simple and accurate way to describe fittings that make sense when when translating from the written word to the physical.
Where do I pick up my third share of £110000?
I do wonder if “she” (am I allowed to say that) will go after engineering terms like male and female connectors that are a simple and accurate way to describe fittings that make sense when when translating from the written word to the physical.
What about all those binary methods of transferring fuel from one aircraft to another? That will have to go because the non-binary members of the defense force will feel threatened by its patriarchal associations. Likewise for the big guns of the army and those phallic displays of the tanks with their euphemistically described "main armament". If the armed forces of the West have to worry about and pander to the feelings of a minority of personnel then the Red forces have already won.
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I'd be interested to know, out of the long list of posters above, how many would sign up to a job title with an overtly female title with no male equivalent. How many male rearcrew would have signed up to be a "Crewlady" or techies to be a "Senior Aircraftswoman (Tech)" if there was no male equivalent?
What about 'Aircraft Husbandry'?
Presumably anyone serious about maintaining security and furthering vital national interests through the use of lethal force will also not give a damn if changes are made. Or should Putin and Xi Jinping take ranting online about "woke politics" as evidence that the West can still mount a concerted military response?
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Didn't you Lot go though at least a couple of times before but for different reasons....like a shortage of errrrr.....Man Power?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%...iary_Air_Force
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%...iary_Air_Force
I have 'guys' in a SLAM block who haven't had hot water for 14 months, I'm a sure they'll appreciate the money being spent on this Zsar and her efforts (I know the 2 budgets are separate but perception is everything).
£100k, thats just the start and the first year. Her employment costs and package make it a far greater sum. And, there will be staff. All for something that could be done by a holding officer in a week. Cultural marxism is introduced to destroy tradition, because the post hasnt been created just to change a few ranks.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
She’s an MOD civil servant, so her wages and benefits will be paid from the wages budget whatever happens.
The MOD has had statutory diversity programmes since 2008 under Labour and there’s a relevant JSP (887)
http://data.parliament.uk/DepositedP...3__PQ00604.pdf
https://assets.publishing.service.go...14_Final-U.pdf
Apart from a bit of publicity I really don’t understand what has got so many retirees upset…
The MOD has had statutory diversity programmes since 2008 under Labour and there’s a relevant JSP (887)
http://data.parliament.uk/DepositedP...3__PQ00604.pdf
https://assets.publishing.service.go...14_Final-U.pdf
Apart from a bit of publicity I really don’t understand what has got so many retirees upset…
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She’s an MOD civil servant, so her wages and benefits will be paid from the wages budget whatever happens.
The MOD has had statutory diversity programmes since 2008 under Labour and there’s a relevant JSP (887)
http://data.parliament.uk/DepositedP...3__PQ00604.pdf
https://assets.publishing.service.go...14_Final-U.pdf
Apart from a bit of publicity I really don’t understand what has got so many retirees upset…
The MOD has had statutory diversity programmes since 2008 under Labour and there’s a relevant JSP (887)
http://data.parliament.uk/DepositedP...3__PQ00604.pdf
https://assets.publishing.service.go...14_Final-U.pdf
Apart from a bit of publicity I really don’t understand what has got so many retirees upset…
Its why I quit the Department of Defence and went flying.
Best decision I ever made.
Do catch up
The Royal Australian Air Force has announced it is replacing the term “airmen” with “aviators” as its marks a century since its establishment.
Chief of Air Force Air Marshal Mel Hupfeld announced the change at a private dinner of past and present RAAF members in April Li at a 100th anniversary event.
Chief of Air Force Air Marshal Mel Hupfeld announced the change at a private dinner of past and present RAAF members in April Li at a 100th anniversary event.
Well done
With all the possible words they could have chosen they went with one that basically makes no sense.
Dictionary definition of aviator: the operator or pilot of an aircraft and especially an airplane.
So the fresh faced young clerk at HQ will be called an aviator?! Brilliant!
I don’t really mind changing the titles of people to avoid offense but at least choose something that is logical.
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Dictionary definition of aviator: the operator or pilot of an aircraft and especially an airplane.
So the fresh faced young clerk at HQ will be called an aviator?! Brilliant!
I don’t really mind changing the titles of people to avoid offense but at least choose something that is logical.
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Gentleman Aviator
So the fresh faced young clerk at HQ will be called an aviator?! Brilliant!
However, [Pedant Mode ON] "aviator" implies male, the female of course is an "aviatrix"!! And the term Airman might suggest one who flies................ kind of the equivalent of soldier or sailor......