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We’re getting a new “National Flagship”

Old 30th May 2021, 11:26
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Wasn't national prestige, sales and flag waving part of the reason for the two carriers? I seem to recall one already being used as set dressing for a major shindig by HMG.
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Old 30th May 2021, 11:42
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I am not sure whether I think this is a good idea or not. But a few thoughts:

1. 'It:? 'IT'? She...

2. Diesel Electric propulsion us pretty much standard these days - for major warships anyway. See this booklet from Rolls Royce about powering the Queen Elizabeth class carriers.

3. HMY Britannia was not sent South in 1982, the explanation being that she would have needed Furnace Fuel Oil and not Diesel. I expect her boilers were later converted. However, she was intended to have a Home Defence tole post nuclear strike.

4. I wonder what value there is for the RN - training billets, deck landing training, role 2 medical facility...

5. Peacetime diplomacy is actually quite important in terms of building relationships.

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Old 30th May 2021, 13:16
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When HMY was in service, foreign politicians and the great and the good would murder their own grandmothers to be invited to a soiree on board and distance to travel was no LIMFAC; I see no difference today, especially if she is to be used by the Royal Family from time to time (giving her that cachet that an aircraft does not have). I have hosted events aboard other HM ships in my previous role and have seen contracts valued in the hundreds of millions agreed. £200 m is nothing in terms of getting an edge over the French and the Americans in terms of trade and diplomacy.

I would expect a strengthen heli-deck, RAS and other capabilities (including self-defence) to be standard. It is a pity, however, from the impressions published she does not appear to have the graceful lines that her predecessor did. And following precedent, she could be named HMY Britannia (or Lizzie McLizzie-face)
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Old 30th May 2021, 13:44
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We’re getting a new “Royal Yacht

As a sales tool yes, but blowing 200 million on a ship to be used by a few.. No.

She will be Royal Navy manned, I wonder if they will include a heli deck and a secondary role, Britannia was supposed to double as a hospital ship, but missed the Falklands I believe due to the fuel it used. If it does fulfill the same rôle a Heli deck would make sense.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57293882
I appreciate that the image is simply an artist's impression, but I also have the impression from that there there is a tell-tale circle showing on *her* repeat *her* upper scupper.

Several misconceptions amongst the postings so far, thankfully offset by Whenurhappy's thoughtful contribution.

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Old 30th May 2021, 14:12
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I don't think I necessarily have an issue with the idea. But to do to announce a £200m project such as this within a few months of refusing to feed poor kids for about a tenth of the price seems.... Well I don't know what the word is but I'm sure you can all think of a few.
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Old 30th May 2021, 14:34
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I'm with whenurhappy. Far too many institutions get obsessed with costs when often the best way to a good bottom line is to have a very good top line, ie income. It may seem a little anachronistic but this soft diplomacy seems to work still.

Anyway, happy for my taxes to go by by 4 quid one year to build her and 15p a year to run her.
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Old 30th May 2021, 15:33
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Excellent idea , a great opportunity to put modern design and modern materials technology into a classic boat usage . To demonstrate just how beautiful a ship can be made .
Maybe solar sails ? Small Toyota sized nuclear pack for electric propulsion , air conditioning and Desalination plant . Although they will probably have a decent stock of the Malvern water on board for those with good taste .
Those big nuclear ice breakers might be a good start for a design . Nice and big almost thirty inches of armour on the front for ice breaking or whatever you want to smash through . Log jams , French fishing boat blockades . Seems everyone is building big ice breakers for the Arctic routes . Heavy icebreakers offer great stability and strength . The advantages of design of some of the bigger ice breaker is their amazing multi-purposes. Dive support . Disaster relief .
If the Gulf Stream flow were to change due to global warming most rivers in the UK might freeze in the winter and a big icebreaker might be needed to open up the estuaries for fishing .
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Old 30th May 2021, 15:56
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just confiscate some Oligarch's yacht for tax avoidance .................
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Old 30th May 2021, 17:00
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Old 30th May 2021, 17:05
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just confiscate some Oligarch's yacht for tax avoidance .................
During my time in Fort Blockhouse (formerly HMS Dolphin) I had excellent views from my office of Mirabella V, as she was then, sitting across the water near the Gunwharf - now that is a yacht!
https://www.boatinternational.com/ya...iling-yacht-m5


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Old 30th May 2021, 17:10
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Make any helicopter landing deck heat proof for the F-35. Just in case.
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Old 30th May 2021, 20:15
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Old 30th May 2021, 21:09
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Have the Navy got sufficient ships to shadow her these days with the amount that’s now needed for the carriers?

A sail while fanciful would negate a secondary role as a hospital ship with a heli deck, but a large area to entertain and show the world our wares would probably work well with the secondary needs as a hospital ship.
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Old 30th May 2021, 22:03
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Originally Posted by WE Branch Fanatic View Post
2. Diesel Electric propulsion us pretty much standard these days - for major warships anyway. See this booklet from Rolls Royce about powering the Queen Elizabeth class carriers.
The RR booklet gives just a partial view on the power generation system. The Diesel generating sets, which I bet will run most of the time, are not theirs.
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Old 30th May 2021, 22:40
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Impressive modern sailing yacht

https://www.superyachttimes.com/yach...tar-under-sail
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Old 31st May 2021, 06:56
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Old 31st May 2021, 10:02
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Originally Posted by WE Branch Fanatic View Post

3. HMY Britannia was not sent South in 1982, the explanation being that she would have needed Furnace Fuel Oil and not Diesel. I expect her boilers were later converted.
HMS Hermes used FFO.
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Old 31st May 2021, 10:05
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How about starting with the RN secondary/wartime role when designing the next royal yacht? Like building some military hospital ship with helipad and hangar first and then put on some salon deck on top or similar? What is it used for mainly? Harbor visits with receptions I guess. There will not be too many sea journeys by the royal family as they take forever if you are used to fly.

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Old 31st May 2021, 10:08
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Of course HRH needs a Royal Yacht. World prestige and all that.

Why not recondition and refit Britannia? Less than £200 mill for that.

If they want crew, I'll help.
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