Fly without fuel?
Oh dear, climate change denial is akin to the wilful blindness of Comical Ali in the last Iraq War! There are peer-reviewed quantitative research papers by climate scientists that humans are the cause behind the rapid change of climate - these are subject matter experts in their field, not good old gums and BEagle the fake news believing keyboard climate scientists! Give yourself a talking to, gents, and have a watch of this - it’s not some rabid loon from Extinction Rebellion nor ranting Greta, either, but one of many respected and learned Universities that agree with the ~97% of climate change scientists that have demonstrable scientific evidence that we are warming up our planet towards a catastrophic event. Thank goodness views like yours are now in an ever shrinking minority and globally we are now starting to pull together to make the required changes.
Everyone has a part to play in this - that means you two, too...if we don’t collectively do something about it, then things will start to get bad reall quick in the next 30-50 years. As you say, we won’t be here, but our children and grand-children will be; and I would like them to have great-grand-children as well.
If you don’t believe the video, then how about NASA? You know, those bright folks who put people on the moon over 50 years ago - or do you not believe that either?
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
Everyone has a part to play in this - that means you two, too...if we don’t collectively do something about it, then things will start to get bad reall quick in the next 30-50 years. As you say, we won’t be here, but our children and grand-children will be; and I would like them to have great-grand-children as well.
If you don’t believe the video, then how about NASA? You know, those bright folks who put people on the moon over 50 years ago - or do you not believe that either?
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
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Who is here that denies the climate changes? Is it getting warmer, cooler, staying the same? The issue is to what extent humans can do anything even if they are responsible for a tenth of a degree change in 50 years.
Sorry, but the 97% consensus is a boogie man and was the result of a literature search that the warmist folks culled according to their own criteria (reference upon request). The actual scientists in the field of climate and Earth geological history and such have a much lower opinion of how much humans might cause the Earth's climate to chaange. I have seen numbers as low as 55 or 60% of "experts" that quibble and hem and haw, but would not bet their last nickel on what the numbers will look like in 50 years.
We can go to the Jet Blast with this , but as the green movement is forcing we aviation people to go away to our dacha in a few more years cause the electric planes cannot be recharged, and all the old, evil fuel used back in 2020 is gone and .... I wonder how all the greenies uber alles folks are gonna get across the ocean to attend their climate change conferences using sails or oars?
No more for now... I am more comncerned with the booster rocket about to fall on us this weekend.
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Who is here that denies the climate changes? Is it getting warmer, cooler, staying the same? The issue is to what extent humans can do anything even if they are responsible for a tenth of a degree change in 50 years.
Sorry, but the 97% consensus is a boogie man and was the result of a literature search that the warmist folks culled according to their own criteria (reference upon request). The actual scientists in the field of climate and Earth geological history and such have a much lower opinion of how much humans might cause the Earth's climate to chaange. I have seen numbers as low as 55 or 60% of "experts" that quibble and hem and haw, but would not bet their last nickel on what the numbers will look like in 50 years.
We can go to the Jet Blast with this , but as the green movement is forcing we aviation people to go away to our dacha in a few more years cause the electric planes cannot be recharged, and all the old, evil fuel used back in 2020 is gone and .... I wonder how all the greenies uber alles folks are gonna get across the ocean to attend their climate change conferences using sails or oars?
No more for now... I am more comncerned with the booster rocket about to fall on us this weekend.
Gums sends..
I'm proud to admit that I don't believe a word that irritating Swedish child utters!
Warmists might wish to reflect on the Roman wine harvests in Britain - and the Little Ice Age of the middle ages.
What happened to the new ice age we were told was imminent back in the '70s?
Warmists might wish to reflect on the Roman wine harvests in Britain - and the Little Ice Age of the middle ages.
What happened to the new ice age we were told was imminent back in the '70s?
On the very long run we will face another ice age. That is the only thing that is guaranteed to happen. All the rest is far from sure.
Like mentioned by BEagle, in the 70s people were laughed at whenever they predicted temperatures rising, everybody else expected it to become cooler back then. Now it is the other way around. For the moment it is getting warmer like it happened many times ago even without any human interference. It is a big question how much mankind can affect climate at all especially as we have only a very short time with more serious temperature observation data available. This is exactly the reason why we end up with contradicting predictions.
And sometimes even those data we have are not what they seem to tell. To start with many of the most reliable weather stations are globally located at airports. Airports that are selected to be located at the sunniest, best VFR conditions and least foggy places available if there is a choice. If you measure there, at dry and sunny places with large aprons and runways being easier warmed up by sunlight, it feels like the world would be warmer and closer to heating up compared to if you had picked a more neutral selection of places without aviation weather needs.
This entire "denier" branding attitude makes it quite difficult to debate things.Even the UN preferred to not invite the more skeptical climate researchers. No surprise they ended up with their darker tone predictions. Some of them making sure certain people just get their funding and influence.
Coming back to the defence and climate change topic: The first aviation biofuels were developed and tested on the B-52 for strategic fuel access reasons. And since the Cold War without permanent bomber patrols, without all that supersonic and low level flying and without atmospheric nuke testing the military has become "green" already.
Like mentioned by BEagle, in the 70s people were laughed at whenever they predicted temperatures rising, everybody else expected it to become cooler back then. Now it is the other way around. For the moment it is getting warmer like it happened many times ago even without any human interference. It is a big question how much mankind can affect climate at all especially as we have only a very short time with more serious temperature observation data available. This is exactly the reason why we end up with contradicting predictions.
And sometimes even those data we have are not what they seem to tell. To start with many of the most reliable weather stations are globally located at airports. Airports that are selected to be located at the sunniest, best VFR conditions and least foggy places available if there is a choice. If you measure there, at dry and sunny places with large aprons and runways being easier warmed up by sunlight, it feels like the world would be warmer and closer to heating up compared to if you had picked a more neutral selection of places without aviation weather needs.
This entire "denier" branding attitude makes it quite difficult to debate things.Even the UN preferred to not invite the more skeptical climate researchers. No surprise they ended up with their darker tone predictions. Some of them making sure certain people just get their funding and influence.
Coming back to the defence and climate change topic: The first aviation biofuels were developed and tested on the B-52 for strategic fuel access reasons. And since the Cold War without permanent bomber patrols, without all that supersonic and low level flying and without atmospheric nuke testing the military has become "green" already.
To start with many of the most reliable weather stations are globally located at airports. Airports that are selected to be located at the sunniest, best VFR conditions and least foggy places available if there is a choice. If you measure there, at dry and sunny places with large aprons and runways being easier warmed up by sunlight, it feels like the world would be warmer and closer to heating up compared to if you had picked a more neutral selection of places without aviation weather needs.
Whenever I hear the words 'scientific consensus' I am reminded of the countless times in history that this proved false. Two examples are Copernicus and the Heliocentric world and Wegener for his Continental Drift theory both of which were derided at the time by this consensus My science teacher held the belief that many of today's certainties would be tomorrows laughing stock. My one fear is not Climate Change per se but geo engineering based on a flawed computer model We will then see the action of the one and only universal law. The Law of Unintended Consequences.
You don’t seriously believe this is where data is collected from to inform scientists on climate monitoring, do you?
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/07/...rmer-than-row/
Any time you hear people claim "The science is settled", you can be quite sure the opposite is true. Proclaiming that "The science is settled" is simply an excuse to shutdown honest debate.
I've been hearing the claims that the planet is 'ten years' from some sort of climate catastrophe for the last 50 years - the boy who cried "Wolf" has nothing on these people.
I'm not a climate scientist, but I've worked control systems for most of my adult life - and the thing that really bugs me about the CO2 'doom and gloom' is that it implies an unstable system. You sea, the worlds oceans are a huge storehouse of 'global warming' gases - CO2, methane, etc. As the ocean warms, can no longer hold as much of these gases, and has to release them into the atmosphere - which would cause the earth to get warmer, causing the oceans to release more of these gases - and eventually we have Venus. Conversely, if it gets colder, more of those gases dissolve into the oceans, causing the earth to cool, and pretty soon we have an ice ball. Yet somehow the earth has managed for billions of years without either of those extremes coming to pass. Obviously there need to be other factors which come into play as the earth warms or cools prevent the cycling from running away - factors which we simply don't understand yet.
I’m starting to understand how Copernicus felt trying explain that the sun was actually at the centre of the solar system, or Magellan needing to prove the world is a sphere. I thought Aviators were supposed to be intelligent?
What do you imagine happens next to global temperatures after sharp rises in CO2 in the past 50 years? The pattern is there folks...
What do you imagine happens next to global temperatures after sharp rises in CO2 in the past 50 years? The pattern is there folks...
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Before the mods move this to Jet Blast or wherever, I ask those here that are predominately RAF or RN in the homeland.......
Will the planes fly using biofuel or even be some kinda hybrid electric thing? We would have windmills near every airfield? The PV solar farms we have here in Florida and out west take up a lotta acres, and last I looked UK can't even match Texas. Somehow I cannot fathom thousands of acres of fields in the UK growing corn to produce ethanol or biodiesel.
Some folks here in the colonies liked biodiesel for their auto or light truck, and tried getting used oil from McD or Wendy or Burger King or KFC. Got attention on th government TV channel called PBS. It worked until a dozen or more vehicles in the town needed the vegetable oil. Although many residents liked the smell of french fries as the greenies drove down the steeet, the super efforts of those trying to save the planet came to a very low number of zealots.
Gonna be interesting next ten years, and U.S. appears on the verge of losing its exporter status it had gained last four years. So natural gas could be a big problem in the motherland without the LNG shipments from Texas and Louisiana.
Gums sends...
Before the mods move this to Jet Blast or wherever, I ask those here that are predominately RAF or RN in the homeland.......
Will the planes fly using biofuel or even be some kinda hybrid electric thing? We would have windmills near every airfield? The PV solar farms we have here in Florida and out west take up a lotta acres, and last I looked UK can't even match Texas. Somehow I cannot fathom thousands of acres of fields in the UK growing corn to produce ethanol or biodiesel.
Some folks here in the colonies liked biodiesel for their auto or light truck, and tried getting used oil from McD or Wendy or Burger King or KFC. Got attention on th government TV channel called PBS. It worked until a dozen or more vehicles in the town needed the vegetable oil. Although many residents liked the smell of french fries as the greenies drove down the steeet, the super efforts of those trying to save the planet came to a very low number of zealots.
Gonna be interesting next ten years, and U.S. appears on the verge of losing its exporter status it had gained last four years. So natural gas could be a big problem in the motherland without the LNG shipments from Texas and Louisiana.
Gums sends...
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Here you go, I seem to remember a similar design in a comic when I was a child,
https://airandspace.si.edu/stories/e...l/insect-power
https://airandspace.si.edu/stories/e...l/insect-power
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About 2years ago I took a real interest in the climate change and CO2 warming thing and discovered it's all mostly natural and goes with the cycles of the sun. The sun is at a low just now and that is why it's colder than normal at this time of year.
Here are some more sources.
Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC)
http://climatechangereconsidered.org.../Full-Book.pdf
The Global Warming Policy Foundation. Independent science resource.
https://www.thegwpf.org
Documenting Earth Changes. Live Data Sets Updated Daily.
https://electroverse.net/live-data-sets/
The diminishing influence of increasing Carbon Dioxide on temperature. It is a crucial fact, but not acknowledged in the IPCC summary for Policy Makers
https://greatclimatedebate.com/the-d...n-temperature/
Tony Heller
https://realclimatescience.com
The Danish Arctic research institutions present updated knowledge on the condition of two major components of the Arctic: The Greenland Ice Sheet and the sea ice.
Home: Polar Portal
NO EXPERIMENTAL EVIDENCE FOR THE SIGNIFICANT ANTHROPOGENIC CLIMATE CHANGE.
Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Turku .
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1907.00165.pdf
The paper uses several planets and moons in the solar system to calculate what kind of atmosphere and temperature they should have irrespective off the constituent gases that comprise that atmosphere.
https://www.omicsonline.org/open-acc...ture-Model.pdf
CO2 information resource
https://co2coalition.org
CO2 climate innocence in 500 words: paleoclimatological-astrophysical literature synthesis by an impartial geologist” — Dr Roger Higgs
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...tial_geologist
Climate Discussion Nexus, Questioning validity of climate science data, Videos and reports.
https://cdn.longbeardco.com
Website Highlighting Climate events Not Reported In The Mainstream Media
https://electroverse.net
Watts up with that? website, The effectiveness of CO2 as a warming Greenhouse gas rapidly diminishes logarithmically as its concentration increases.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/12/...e-emergency-2/
I can also post about 20 Youtube videos as well.
Jetblast you say.
R.
Here are some more sources.
Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC)
http://climatechangereconsidered.org.../Full-Book.pdf
The Global Warming Policy Foundation. Independent science resource.
https://www.thegwpf.org
Documenting Earth Changes. Live Data Sets Updated Daily.
https://electroverse.net/live-data-sets/
The diminishing influence of increasing Carbon Dioxide on temperature. It is a crucial fact, but not acknowledged in the IPCC summary for Policy Makers
https://greatclimatedebate.com/the-d...n-temperature/
Tony Heller
https://realclimatescience.com
The Danish Arctic research institutions present updated knowledge on the condition of two major components of the Arctic: The Greenland Ice Sheet and the sea ice.
Home: Polar Portal
NO EXPERIMENTAL EVIDENCE FOR THE SIGNIFICANT ANTHROPOGENIC CLIMATE CHANGE.
Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Turku .
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1907.00165.pdf
The paper uses several planets and moons in the solar system to calculate what kind of atmosphere and temperature they should have irrespective off the constituent gases that comprise that atmosphere.
https://www.omicsonline.org/open-acc...ture-Model.pdf
CO2 information resource
https://co2coalition.org
CO2 climate innocence in 500 words: paleoclimatological-astrophysical literature synthesis by an impartial geologist” — Dr Roger Higgs
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...tial_geologist
Climate Discussion Nexus, Questioning validity of climate science data, Videos and reports.
https://cdn.longbeardco.com
Website Highlighting Climate events Not Reported In The Mainstream Media
https://electroverse.net
Watts up with that? website, The effectiveness of CO2 as a warming Greenhouse gas rapidly diminishes logarithmically as its concentration increases.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/12/...e-emergency-2/
I can also post about 20 Youtube videos as well.
Jetblast you say.
R.
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Sorry but not convinced by the credibility of those links. The first one, climate change reconsidered, is posted by a group that start out campaigning against the belief that smoking is bad for you.
Will be interesting to see how we propel vehicles in austere deployments if we try to avoid fossil fuels. Electric cars are great but need charging. Tiny nuclear reactors?
As for the population at large, we need more domestic solar, battery storage, heat pumps etc. No idea why we are letting people build houses without them. Until cold fusion comes along we need nuclear power but ironically many of the same people who campaign for a low carbon world also protest nuclear power stations which is IMHO ridiculous.
Will be interesting to see how we propel vehicles in austere deployments if we try to avoid fossil fuels. Electric cars are great but need charging. Tiny nuclear reactors?
As for the population at large, we need more domestic solar, battery storage, heat pumps etc. No idea why we are letting people build houses without them. Until cold fusion comes along we need nuclear power but ironically many of the same people who campaign for a low carbon world also protest nuclear power stations which is IMHO ridiculous.
A) take it to jet blast.
B) There is a large difference between scientific debate (being generous) and scientific consensus, which a lot of people with Google skills would do well to learn the difference between.
B) There is a large difference between scientific debate (being generous) and scientific consensus, which a lot of people with Google skills would do well to learn the difference between.
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Cold fusion, no. Not even a thing. Where else can I find these documents?
What about this lot.Alternate power sources
Molten Salt Reactors (MSR) and Small Modular Reactors (SMR)
Investment of the UK GOV.
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...r-technologies
The Thorium Energy Alliance
https://thoriumenergyalliance.com
https://www.world-nuclear.org/inform...-reactors.aspx
The Stable Salt Reactor is ready for implementation now.
https://www.moltexenergy.com
Energy from Thorium
https://energyfromthorium.com
Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors in 5 minutes - Thorium Reactors. Kirk Sorensen
This is a visual summary of all the information about thorium reactors. Subject Zero Science. 17 mins.
Explains the waste involved in renewables and the benefits of a thorium reactor. Professor Rusty Towell. In his talk, Rusty discusses the availability of energy as the critical ingredient for raising the standard of living around the world, providing a crash course in understanding how Thorium, found in the dirt we walk on every day, might be humanity’s final energy solution. 20 mins
Kirk Sorensen stumbled across thorium while doing research on how to power a lunar community. Thorium is a cleaner, safer, and more abundant nuclear fuel—one that Kirk believes will revolutionise how we produce our energy. 16 mins.
Kirk Sorensen is founder of Flibe Energy and is an advocate for nuclear energy based on thorium and liquid-fluoride fuels. 10 mins.
Making Safe Nuclear Power from Thorium. Thomas Pedersen, engineer and co-founder of Copenhagen Atomics. 19 mins.
How Thorium can save the world: Salim Zwein at TEDxBeirut 2012. 13 mins.
LFTR (Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor) Defended by Kirk Sorensen @ ThEC2018. 36 mins.
LFTR (Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor) Matthew Lish on the chemistry and technical aspects of reactor maintenance. LFTR Online Chemistry vs Radiation @ ORNL MSRW 2019. 31 mins.
Uranium
Ultra safe Nuclear Corporation. Reactor design has negative temperature reactivity coefficient.
https://usnc.com
In this video Prof. Ruzic explains what modular micro-reactors are, and why they may be the future of nuclear power. In particular, their ability to be a non-carbon source of process or district heat makes them an ideal replacement for fossil fuel plants. In terms of electricity cost, they compete very well with diesel generation, and once mass produced could reach utility-scale prices. The micro-reactors are self-contained with their own containment, and passive safety features provided by the laws of physics. All wastes generated are contained in the fuel itself which will last for 20 years. At that point the whole reactor vessel is carted away, and a new one can be installed. Aug 2020. 21 mins.
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What about this lot.Alternate power sources
Molten Salt Reactors (MSR) and Small Modular Reactors (SMR)
Investment of the UK GOV.
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...r-technologies
The Thorium Energy Alliance
https://thoriumenergyalliance.com
https://www.world-nuclear.org/inform...-reactors.aspx
The Stable Salt Reactor is ready for implementation now.
https://www.moltexenergy.com
Energy from Thorium
https://energyfromthorium.com
Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors in 5 minutes - Thorium Reactors. Kirk Sorensen
This is a visual summary of all the information about thorium reactors. Subject Zero Science. 17 mins.
Explains the waste involved in renewables and the benefits of a thorium reactor. Professor Rusty Towell. In his talk, Rusty discusses the availability of energy as the critical ingredient for raising the standard of living around the world, providing a crash course in understanding how Thorium, found in the dirt we walk on every day, might be humanity’s final energy solution. 20 mins
Kirk Sorensen stumbled across thorium while doing research on how to power a lunar community. Thorium is a cleaner, safer, and more abundant nuclear fuel—one that Kirk believes will revolutionise how we produce our energy. 16 mins.
Kirk Sorensen is founder of Flibe Energy and is an advocate for nuclear energy based on thorium and liquid-fluoride fuels. 10 mins.
Making Safe Nuclear Power from Thorium. Thomas Pedersen, engineer and co-founder of Copenhagen Atomics. 19 mins.
How Thorium can save the world: Salim Zwein at TEDxBeirut 2012. 13 mins.
LFTR (Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor) Defended by Kirk Sorensen @ ThEC2018. 36 mins.
LFTR (Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor) Matthew Lish on the chemistry and technical aspects of reactor maintenance. LFTR Online Chemistry vs Radiation @ ORNL MSRW 2019. 31 mins.
Uranium
Ultra safe Nuclear Corporation. Reactor design has negative temperature reactivity coefficient.
https://usnc.com
In this video Prof. Ruzic explains what modular micro-reactors are, and why they may be the future of nuclear power. In particular, their ability to be a non-carbon source of process or district heat makes them an ideal replacement for fossil fuel plants. In terms of electricity cost, they compete very well with diesel generation, and once mass produced could reach utility-scale prices. The micro-reactors are self-contained with their own containment, and passive safety features provided by the laws of physics. All wastes generated are contained in the fuel itself which will last for 20 years. At that point the whole reactor vessel is carted away, and a new one can be installed. Aug 2020. 21 mins.
I'm proud to admit that I don't believe a word that irritating Swedish child utters!
Warmists might wish to reflect on the Roman wine harvests in Britain - and the Little Ice Age of the middle ages.
What happened to the new ice age we were told was imminent back in the '70s?
Warmists might wish to reflect on the Roman wine harvests in Britain - and the Little Ice Age of the middle ages.
What happened to the new ice age we were told was imminent back in the '70s?
The medieval ice age was just a northern hemisphere event - it does not appear in the overall averaged world dataset.
The new ice age was overdue - in fact the Holocene (stable climate over the last 12,000 years since we came out of last ice age) had been going longer than any other interglacial.
The Milankovitch cycle (wobble in the earths tilt, axis and orbit) was due to take us slowly back to an ice age - but looking at LJ's chart you can see there is a certain amount of variation within this so we were on borrowed time.
Now here is the thing - rather than going back into an ice age as per the natural cycle - we have put lots of C02 into the atmosphere - and looking at LJ's chart you can see C02 causes the temperature to follow - we have artificially averted the next ice age - at least for a while!
As this is probably the most pressing issue facing mankind can I suggest you stop being a numptie - treat it with some respect - and perhaps read up on the science of what is really happening - not some Ted Cruz/ oil company sponsored denialist propaganda.
Actually you might find the real science is fascinating .
Also you might find that US and UK military(amongst others) fully understand that climate change is real and will be the primary driver of conflict as we head deeper into the century
oil company sponsored denialist
