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Canada Looking at the A330 MRTT procurement

Old 9th Apr 2021, 08:46
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Originally Posted by minigundiplomat View Post
The federal government departments (including defence) in Canada are very francophile; Airbus could sell them anything.
You must not live here if you think DoD is Francophile lol, must be why we have so much French kit (0, zilch, nada) in our Forces! I would take a Rafale over a bloated (for our needs) F35 any day.

In the category of selling us anything, those Victoria class submarines from the UK are hard to beat (no offense to my UK friends here, you got us!)

Inform yourself before posting such drivel. The Airbus tanker would more than our needs without the reinventing the wheel aspect of the Boeing product.
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Originally Posted by admiral ackbar View Post
You must not live here if you think DoD is Francophile lol, must be why we have so much French kit (0, zilch, nada) in our Forces! I would take a Rafale over a bloated (for our needs) F35 any day.

In the category of selling us anything, those Victoria class submarines from the UK are hard to beat (no offense to my UK friends here, you got us!)

Inform yourself before posting such drivel. The Airbus tanker would more than our needs without the reinventing the wheel aspect of the Boeing product.

...and now buying our cast off fighter junk! We do like our KC-30's/Super Hornets/Growlers/F-35's.....
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Certainly the RCAF guys who took part in OP MOBILE rated the Rafale very highly. Agile, twin-engined safety and it has a vastly higher refuelling rate than the Typhoon. Or the F-35B, for than matter!

Quite which variant of F-35 would best suit the RCAF is difficult to assess. Certainly noe the -B; the -C is more expensive than the -A but unlike the -A, is fitted for probe and drogue AAR and has a greater internal fuel capacity. The -A could be fitted for probe and drogue, but LM would doubtless demand huge R&D costs to be paid by Canada.

The decision between the Hornet E/F, some variant of F-35 or the Gripen E will be made in 2022. For reliable operation in cold climes, the Gripen has proved to be outstanding.

But if the RCAF turns down the F-35, no doubt the F-18E/F will be chosen....eh?
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Yeah, I have the feeling it will be the Super Hornet (which I still prefer over the F-35). Would love the Grippen and Rafale to be given a fair shake!
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Originally Posted by Grizzz View Post
Canada's defense procurement has a colorful, very questionable track record, lately. Be it useless British cast off subs, scandals about building naval vessels, new fighter jets, us "Torontonians" seem to continually elect folks without a shred of common sense about equipping our forces. The more some say things will change, the more they keep repeating mistakes of yesteryear!
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Originally Posted by admiral ackbar View Post
You must not live here if you think DoD is Francophile lol, must be why we have so much French kit (0, zilch, nada) in our Forces! I would take a Rafale over a bloated (for our needs) F35 any day.

In the category of selling us anything, those Victoria class submarines from the UK are hard to beat (no offense to my UK friends here, you got us!)

Inform yourself before posting such drivel. The Airbus tanker would more than our needs without the reinventing the wheel aspect of the Boeing product.
DOD isn't, but public works canada(ottawa) sure is
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Originally Posted by rigpiggy View Post
DOD isn't, but public works canada(ottawa) sure is
Or maybe is it only the Translation Bureau
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https://www.defensenews.com/air/2022...nker-aircraft/

Canada plans to buy four new Airbus tankers, requests proposal

VICTORIA, British Columbia — The Canadian government expects to award a contract next year to Airbus for four new strategic tanker transport aircraft, according to the country’s National Defence Department. The cost of the contract is yet to be determined, but the government has allocated up to CA$5 billion (U.S. $4 billion) to purchase the planes.

Airbus was designated as the only supplier qualified to provide the tankers to the Royal Canadian Air Force. As a result, a formal request for its proposal for the planes was issued to the firm on May 13, 2022. National Defence Department spokeswoman Jessica Lamirande said the government has not yet received the proposal.

“Once Airbus’ response is received, an assessment and negotiation will occur,” Lamirande said, noting that a contract is expected to be awarded by April 2023.

The Canadian Armed Forces found the Airbus A330 MRTT, a refueling and transport plane, is the only aircraft qualified for the job. The Air Force wants the first of the A330s operational by 2028.

The new aircraft are part of Canada’s Strategic Tanker Transport Capability project, meant to replace the existing CC-150 Polaris aircraft flown by the Royal Canadian Air Force. Those refueling and transport planes have been in operation since 1992.

Originally six new aircraft were to be purchased as part of the Strategic Tanker Transport Capability project. But on July 14, Canadian Defence Minister Anita Anand announced the military would acquire two used Airbus A330s and eventually upgrade those to become part of the Air Force’s tanker and transport fleet. Canada acquired those used aircraft, built in 2015, from International Airfinance Corp., a global aircraft leasing company, in a deal worth about $102 million.

Lamirande said the COVID-19 pandemic’s impact on the commercial aviation industry created favorable market conditions to procure the used A330-200 aircraft at the best value for Canada. The government is scheduled to receive the aircraft in December 2022 and April 2023, and then ferry them to the country shortly after, she added.

“There are a number of predelivery and acceptance activities that need to be completed before any used aircraft will arrive in Canada” Lamirande said. Those include scheduled preventive maintenance, limited retrofit to prepare for service within the Air Force, painting of the aircraft, final delivery inspection and acceptance checks.

The used aircraft are currently configured for long-haul commercial use. They will initially be used for an interim period to perform cargo and troop airlift operations, said Lamirande. The planes could also be used to transport civilian passengers during humanitarian relief operations, as well as fly VIPs, such as Canada’s prime minister.

These used aircraft will, after an interim period of operations, be turned over to Airbus for conversion to the MRTT configuration as the other four new aircraft expected to be purchased.
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