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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 19th Feb 2022, 08:17
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Originally Posted by TWT
Ukraine has a number of Turkish Bayraktar TB2 drones. They can carry 4 x anti-tank missiles each.
but who would be making air strikes against Russians? The Belarusian?
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 09:26
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As a matter of procedure, once you've been put on a wartime footing you adopt the wartime procedures you have been taught, including spacing of vehicles, whichever side of the planned FEBA you are on.

Fog of war means you don't know who will start firing first and at who - and blue on blue (or in this case red an red) is also a possibility which needs to be taken into account.
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 09:53
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Red on red is one thing, but that is the only threat there is.
However, that is also what will happen if the modern day shelling of Mainila is commenced.
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 10:36
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Originally Posted by Beamr
but who would be making air strikes against Russians? The Belarusian?
OK, could be that they don't trust their 'friends'.
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 11:46
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In reality, the Ukrainian army started massive shooting along the whole front line. Heavy artillery is involved (that was supposed to be taken away from the front line as it was "confirmed" by OSCE).
To the moment in the areas controlled by separs, several electrical power stations are damaged/destroyed, gas pipeline was blown up and put on fire, water reservoir infrastructure damaged and water pumps out of ops. The railway from Donetsk to Russia was blown up too.
So, thousands of civilians are left without gas/heat, electricity and water. The fact that western media keeps silence about it, does not mean it is not happening.
Detailed plans of the Ukrainian army to start the invasion on Day D are also well known (stolen by separs intelligence, I suppose) and available on the Net.
So, as I wrote a few days before things are unfortunately being developed according to the western plans. Their Ukrainian vassals started the fire and terrorist attacks on civilian infrastructure. But this is taken out of the picture (as if it did not happen at all). Separs started shooting in return and this is given great attention and cry. The Ukrainian army is just waiting until something serious is hit on their side to announce Day D.
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 11:59
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IF the ukrainians would've shelled a thousand times with 122mm's and similar to inhabitated areas, there would be casualties. Period. There are none. Period.
The only casualty in the past days is an ukrainian soldier that was wounded by shrapnel from separatist fire. That is the only reported casualty even in the Russian media.

Russian Duma has stated that any wrongdoing against Russian people in DPR/LPR would cause retaliation. So why on earth would Ukrainians risk everything as there are 190000 hostile troops by the border and Putin has just called reserves into arms? Claiming that Ukraine is planning an attack with the support of NATO is against all credibility and any common sense. Adding the fact that the LPR/DPR evacuation videos were filmed already on 16th Feb makes it absolutely clear that the whole situation is a setup by Russians and separatists to pretext the Russian invasion to Ukraine.

If there would be a major Ukrainian setup to break the Minsk agreement, why aren't there any ukrainian troop gatherings in the conflict border? The only ones concentrating forces are Russia and Belarus.

Regarding the attack plans: some granny from eastern ukraine is claimed to have found a plotted map with lines drawn and it is claimed to be the master plan to attack DPR/LPR. First, which special forces unit would carry such with them? Second, the plans shown on a video were maps in immaculate condition. After dark ops and a fire fight, in a ukrainian winter wonderland? But of course....
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 12:02
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Originally Posted by A_Van
In reality, the Ukrainian army started massive shooting along the whole front line. Heavy artillery is involved (that was supposed to be taken away from the front line as it was "confirmed" by OSCE).
To the moment in the areas controlled by separs, several electrical power stations are damaged/destroyed, gas pipeline was blown up and put on fire, water reservoir infrastructure damaged and water pumps out of ops. The railway from Donetsk to Russia was blown up too.
So, thousands of civilians are left without gas/heat, electricity and water. The fact that western media keeps silence about it, does not mean it is not happening.
Detailed plans of the Ukrainian army to start the invasion on Day D are also well known (stolen by separs intelligence, I suppose) and available on the Net.
So, as I wrote a few days before things are unfortunately being developed according to the western plans. Their Ukrainian vassals started the fire and terrorist attacks on civilian infrastructure. But this is taken out of the picture (as if it did not happen at all). Separs started shooting in return and this is given great attention and cry. The Ukrainian army is just waiting until something serious is hit on their side to announce Day D.
I wondered where you were lurking. Seriously, do you honestly believe this, that Ukraine is planning to retake the breakaway regions in the face of the massed Russian forces? Do you realise how far from the truth this is, how far down the rabbit hole you are?

If this is the widely held view of the Russian people then you deserve everything that is coming your way in terms of economic hardship etc.
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 12:49
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Originally Posted by A_Van
In reality, the Ukrainian army started massive shooting along the whole front line. Heavy artillery is involved (that was supposed to be taken away from the front line as it was "confirmed" by OSCE).
To the moment in the areas controlled by separs, several electrical power stations are damaged/destroyed, gas pipeline was blown up and put on fire, water reservoir infrastructure damaged and water pumps out of ops. The railway from Donetsk to Russia was blown up too.
So, thousands of civilians are left without gas/heat, electricity and water. The fact that western media keeps silence about it, does not mean it is not happening.
Detailed plans of the Ukrainian army to start the invasion on Day D are also well known (stolen by separs intelligence, I suppose) and available on the Net.
So, as I wrote a few days before things are unfortunately being developed according to the western plans. Their Ukrainian vassals started the fire and terrorist attacks on civilian infrastructure. But this is taken out of the picture (as if it did not happen at all). Separs started shooting in return and this is given great attention and cry. The Ukrainian army is just waiting until something serious is hit on their side to announce Day D.
Please show us the evidence of these allegations or stop talking b0llocks!
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 12:51
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Danger

Anybody here read Tom Clancy's "Red Storm Rising" ? Looks like Putin may have.
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 13:27
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I wondered where you were lurking. Seriously, do you honestly believe this
https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html

The Russian "Firehose of Falsehood" Propaganda Model
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 13:56
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The fact that western media keeps silence about it, does not mean it is not happening.
The fact Russian media keep broadcasting it, does not mean it’s happening either.

At the end of the day even if was happening, which it isn’t, at least by the Ukraine, the Ukraine is a totally independent European Country and as such Russia has no right to be interfering in it, or occupying parts of the Country.

I do hope your Country has got a good supply of body bags as sadly if it escalates they will be required on both sides.
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 13:58
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A-Van. You used to talk s lot of sense a few years ago, giving a Russian side to discussions. If you are still the same person, and not a clone, I feel sorry for you. Obviously "Kremlinised", or given an offer you couldn't refuse.
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 13:58
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TASS: Russia claims Ukraina has shelled to Russian territory. A farm house is claimed to have hit. No casualties reported.


https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/13768343
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 13:59
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Well here we are, on the brink of a war apparently that nobody wants....the Americans are just hysterical about the whole business, and Putin has been saying it's not going to happen.

Someone is really unhinged here, as we all know, truth is the first casualty in a war. Well truth looks to have evaporated months ago.

It's not hysteria or denial now, the cards have been dealt and they have to be played. Looking back, all of the intent was there to be seen. As the guy on the Beeb, sitting in Kiev said, the Munich dog and pony show is completely out of touch with the reality of life on the front line in Eastern Ukraine. Twiddling thumbs come to mind.

Time to make up a foil hat.

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Old 19th Feb 2022, 14:05
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Lufthansa has announced it is suspending all flights to and from Kviv and Odessa from Monday.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ay-2022-02-19/
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 14:07
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The BBC is reporting that the rebel leaders in the breakaway provinces have ordered a mobilisation, and men between the ages of 19 and 55 are prohibited from leaving the region

As I understand it, this means that men living in the region, even patriotic Ukrainians, are now going to be drafted to fight with Russia and the separatists against their own people.

Nice.
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 14:12
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Let’s see how that works out, giving weapons to a bunch of disgruntled Ukrainians and telling them to fight by your side against your own Country. I wouldn’t want to turn my back on them.
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 14:23
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More on the claimed artillery fire towards Russia, an article by rossiskaja gazeta

February 19, 2022, 17:59
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine commented on the explosions of shells in Russia

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba said that the country's Armed Forces did not shell Russian territory.

“We resolutely refute all accusations that Ukrainian shells allegedly hit the territory of the Russian Federation. Ukraine has not carried out any such shelling,” he wrote on Twitter.

At the same time, Kuleba called for "immediately conducting an impartial international investigation into the incidents," which were previously reported by the Russian media.

In turn, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valeriy Zaluzhny said that units of the Ukrainian Joint Forces in Donbass did not fire at the territories of the DPR, LPR and Russia.

According to him, the information about the shelling of the Rostov region is "an outright lie and a provocation."

“It should be noted that artillery units from the Joint Forces are located in the areas of withdrawal at a distance of more than 21 km from the collision line, which exceeds the maximum firing range of Grad multiple launch rocket systems and 122-mm cannons in service with the Ukrainian Armed Forces,” Zaluzhny's Facebook post says.

Earlier it became known that two shells exploded in the Rostov region in the Tarasovsky district. It was reported that military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine carried out massive shelling with the use of heavy weapons near the border.

After that, a criminal case was opened in the Main Investigation Department of the Investigative Committee of Russia on the fact of the shelling of the border territory of the Rostov region by the military of Ukraine . Investigators specified that among the civilian population, no one was injured as a result of the shelling.

https://m.gazeta.ru/social/news/2022...17315863.shtml
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 14:33
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No one, and, I emphasize NO ONE shoots with that type of weaponry cross the border three times by mistake and I don't believe for a second that there would've been an order to fire.

Why would anyone start a war by shooting a farm house with artillery?

There is a reason why there has been no civilian casualties despite Russian claimed heavy artillery shelling throughout the week: the shelling has never happened. The only reason to claim such actions is to draw a picture of a warmongering nation (Ukraine) to justify the Russian invasion. Once the Russians start announcing civilian casualties the troops start moving.
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"Seit 5:45 Uhr wird jetzt zurückgeschossen"

Where did I hear that one?
History can repeat itself, I hope not.
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