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Old 10th Sep 2022, 18:09
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Old 10th Sep 2022, 18:15
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Wokka, because of the URL issue. your post appears as a complete blank.
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We are entering dangerous times...this seems to be quickly unravelling for Putin (good news in itself), but what next? What will happen in Moscow? The next few days or weeks could shape the global political balance for the next few decades. Does a new Russia emerge which aligns more closely with the west, or does it become a puppet of Beijing? Do we get an administration led by the hawks, who seek to rebuild the military into the force that Putin believed he had, or a democratic movement that tries to restore Russia as a confident, resource rich, nation...happy to work alongside western allies? Does Putin have any tricks left, or is his departure imminent? Lots of uncertainty, with some potentially worrying outcomes.
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Old 10th Sep 2022, 18:34
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Moscow is having its 875th birthday celebrations today, hence the closure of city center and military trucks.
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Thanks for the update winemaker. It would seem that things are moving at a rate that few of us could have foreseen. I would never deny etudiant his right to hold or express an opinion it just struck me that he had seemed to go suddenly quiet.
Let us hope that after all this is over we will see a world with a stable and well governed Russia.
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Old 10th Sep 2022, 19:47
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"There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen"--Vladimir Ilyich Lenin.
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Old 10th Sep 2022, 20:09
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Perhaps. But recall how Stalin treated many returning Great Patriotic War (WW2) POWs - as "traitors and collaborators" for having failed to fight to the death, and as "contaminated" by exposure to the West.

Whether Putin will do the same, each of us must guess for ourselves.
I recall reading stories (with no idea as to accuracy) of WWII Russian POWs attempting suicide to avoid be “repatriated” back to mother Russia.
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Old 10th Sep 2022, 20:58
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It’s looking like stuff is abandoned all over the place

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Old 10th Sep 2022, 21:00
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Returning POWs and others to Russia

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I recall reading stories (with no idea as to accuracy) of WWII Russian POWs attempting suicide to avoid be “repatriated” back to mother Russia.
100% spot on. They were all treated as 'contaminated and untrustworthy' even unto death.

ISTR the Allies behaved disgracefully with respect to 'returning' certain peoples to the 'other side' after WWII, so as to avoid upsetting our red allies who were about to become our cold war foes. I think the word appeasement had been retranslated into realpolitik.

I just watched a drama-doc which showed Josef Vissarionovich Djugashvili running rings round the remainder of the Allies with respect to promising democratic elections in their newly 'liberated' territiories. Just like the current lot with their dictatorship at home and fake referenda in their temporarily stolen territories. Josef even re-badged a whole russian army and air force into Polish uniform, to keep the locals in order.

PS - Don't mention Katyn. ... LFH
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Dushilin the head of the DNR has resigned lol

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Old 10th Sep 2022, 21:21
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Take out the bridge and Crimea could be isolated….

Ukrainian vanguard here. Looks like they might be heading for the Black Sea coast.



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Some highlights of a podcast of Michael Kofman in conversation with Dmitri Alperovitch today, discussing Ukraine's spectacular Kharkiv offensive:
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More abandoned kit?

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Old 10th Sep 2022, 21:30
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Originally Posted by NWSRG
We are entering dangerous times...this seems to be quickly unravelling for Putin (good news in itself), but what next? What will happen in Moscow? The next few days or weeks could shape the global political balance for the next few decades. Does a new Russia emerge which aligns more closely with the west, or does it become a puppet of Beijing? Do we get an administration led by the hawks, who seek to rebuild the military into the force that Putin believed he had, or a democratic movement that tries to restore Russia as a confident, resource rich, nation...happy to work alongside western allies? Does Putin have any tricks left, or is his departure imminent? Lots of uncertainty, with some potentially worrying outcomes.
Worrying my ass. Putin has failed and the Wolves will be closing in. I suspect already the Russian political system is working on how to eliminate Putin and extract themselves out of this mess.
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Old 10th Sep 2022, 21:36
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Downed SU34

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You be correct
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Referring to UXB9’s post

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Old 10th Sep 2022, 22:11
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I wonder how much if the captured kit is making it to the west, an example

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Old 11th Sep 2022, 02:08
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So long as this remains a real threat, it'll be a brave bunch that attempts to take down Mad Vlad


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Old 11th Sep 2022, 03:18
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Telegram channel @rybar is a pro+Russian milblogger entity with 750k subscribers​​​​​​, one of the five most often linked sources 'our' side uses to check opponents view.

Together with Grey Zone, Strashe Eddy... those are some of the key people, namely Girking himself quotes them extensively to express and explain his dismay.
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Their latest map:




Compare with 6 days ago.....




Although it all started unfolding only 2 days ago:



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