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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 26th Aug 2022, 21:20
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The MOD is utterly incompetent at (a) negotiating a contract and (b) managing a project development. From the other side of the fence, they are an almost bottomless money pit, but it makes at least some ex-RAF people in industry have guilty feelings for those serving, and for taxpayers.
Great! Please then tell us what the answer is if they can:

a) No longer initiate new programmes
b) no longer negotiate any programmes

Expatriate the whole she-bang to ..............................whom ?
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Old 26th Aug 2022, 21:31
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They hit the NOVA KAKHOVKA DAM+LOCK when there was a column crossing it, the road surface on the bridge looks seriously damaged, it’s on the Kherson Cats thread, but I will not post it as it is covered with a lot of Russian soldier body parts.
Whilst I'm sure we're all eternally grateful to our semi detached colleague for his thoughtfulness in protecting our delicate sensitivities from such horrors of reality surely he does not deem his mentality so superior to us all that he must ensure this is restricted to his eyes only?
Amongst adults anyone else would think a link might be appropriate?

Even if he does feel the need to attach a trigger-warning...

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Old 26th Aug 2022, 21:41
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Originally Posted by meleagertoo View Post
Whilst I'm sure we're all eternally grateful to our partially attached colleague for his wish protect our delicate sensitivities from such horrors surely he is not so superior to us all that this must be restricted to his eyes only?
Amongst adults anyone else would think a link might be appropriate?

Even if he does feel the need to attach a trigger-warning...
As requested, have a ball.

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Old 26th Aug 2022, 21:59
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Have a ball?
You really are a weird one, that's for sure.
Twenty wobbly seconds of uninformative busted concrete and assorted bits of wreckage. Could be anything. Nothing graphic at all. No blood. No gore. Nothing...Do you 'have a ball' over that?

Hey fella! Haven't you gathered this is a WAR? Isn't it time it was shown as such, not a sterilised woke disney production to be discussed by wiseacres thousands of miles off who turn their noses up and recoil at the sight of - aagh! Just imagine! Maybe even a casualty?

And how/why do you imagine you are you entitled to this content yet consider the rest of us beneath it? What, exactly, is your special (self awarded) entitlement?
FFS.

There's a piece written about people like you. I know it from Gen. Archibald Wavell's wonderful book, Other Men's Flowers.
I'll see if I can dig it up.

edit...

Guess what - It's Billy Spokeshave himself! Who could have put that sort of self-absorbed poncyness better?
Henry IV Pt. 1, Act1, Sc3

Hotspur (Henry Percy).
But I remember, when the fight was done,
When I was dry with rage and extreme toil,
Breathless and faint, leaning upon my sword,
Came there a certain lord, neat, and trimly dress'd,
Fresh as a bridegroom; and his chin new reap'd
Show'd like a stubble-land at harvest-home;
He was perfumed like a milliner;
And 'twixt his finger and his thumb he held
A pouncet-box, which ever and anon
He gave his nose and took't away again;
Who therewith angry, when it next came there,
Took it in snuff; and still he smiled and talk'd,
And as the soldiers bore dead bodies by,
He call'd them untaught knaves, unmannerly,
To bring a slovenly unhandsome corse
Betwixt the wind and his nobility.
With many holiday and lady terms
He question'd me; amongst the rest, demanded
My prisoners in your majesty's behalf.
I then, all smarting with my wounds being cold,
To be so pester'd with a popinjay,
Out of my grief and my impatience,
Answer'd neglectingly I know not what,
He should or he should not; for he made me mad
To see him shine so brisk and smell so sweet
And talk so like a waiting-gentlewoman
Of guns and drums and wounds,—God save the mark!—
And telling me the sovereign'st thing on earth
Was parmaceti for an inward bruise;
And that it was great pity, so it was,
This villanous salt-petre should be digg'd
Out of the bowels of the harmless earth,
Which many a good tall fellow had destroy'd
So cowardly; and but for these vile guns,
He would himself have been a soldier.
This bald unjointed chat of his, my lord,
I answer'd indirectly, as I said;
And I beseech you, let not his report
Come current for an accusation
Betwixt my love and your high majesty.

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Old 26th Aug 2022, 22:09
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
It appears Russia takes the wording Ammunition dump literally.

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/...19014150606848
Yikes you are not joking. BTW, your Twitter links are not showing up, up like mine
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Old 26th Aug 2022, 22:15
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Originally Posted by meleagertoo View Post
You really are a weird one, that's for sure.
You want gore? You want to see blood and guts? You want to see dead people? You want to see casualties? The legless torso on the video clip was nothing? Or the head rolled loose?
And now I am the weird one? Ok.
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Old 26th Aug 2022, 22:26
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Originally Posted by meleagertoo View Post
Twenty wobbly seconds of uninformative busted concrete and assorted bits of wreckage. Could be anything. Nothing graphic at all. No blood. No gore. Nothing...

Hey fella! Haven't you gathered this is a WAR? Isn't it time it was shown as such, not a sterilised woke disney production to be discussed by wiseacres thousands of miles off who turn their noses up and recoil at the sight of - aagh! Just imagine! Maybe even a casualty?

FFS.


I'll see if I can dig it up.
Well, it starts by swinging to an arm and part of a torso on the right, then moves on to the top half of a body on the right, then scans across to another torso along with bits everywhere on the left.

You have to remember, while most of us are adults on here, that does not necessarily mean everyone is, hence my reservation at posting it.

I told you where the link was and I posted a link in 8499, it was up to you to look for it.

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Old 26th Aug 2022, 22:41
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You two evidently have far more active and febrile imaginations than I.
I have watched and rewatched that video three times now to be ready to admit I was mistaken, or to see if I can identify what you describe. No, I wasn't, an no I cannot. I'm nor saying what is depicted isn't as you describe, just that on watchng it three times at normal speed there is no way it could be identified as that. It takws a special kind of imagination - one that I do not posess, to do that. "Want" to see gore indeed! Still, you managed it apparently.
What really bothers me is how you managed to do so...prurient frame by frame examination? How else?
Yukk.
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Old 26th Aug 2022, 22:47
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Great! Please then tell us what the answer is if they can:

a) No longer initiate new programmes
b) no longer negotiate any programmes
I went to a project management software user group meeting in the mid 80's. There were a number of industries represented there including defence. I got talking to a chap from BAE and I could not believe how far they were behind the construction industry in using computers for project management, or even critical path analysis, despite the fact that the American defence industry had developed CPA to keep the Polaris submarine project on track in the 60's

Then someone invented PRINCE (PRojects IN Controlled Environments) or how to get so far behind programme, your end project will be obsolete/redundant before it is finished. Oh how I laughed . Then they came up with PRINCE 2 and the laughter did not stop. The Government saw this as the answer to all there problems of time and budget and made their contractors use it.

On time, on budget, never ever, except once AFAI. The only project I ever did that had PRICE in the contract was a district general hospital reconfiguration, £30m and 18 months to do it . I was the Planning Manger on it and the Project Manager was one of the best I ever worked with. We realised very early on that if we followed the PRICE rules, it was going to take five years to get it done, so we ignored ALL the rules of PRINCE, taking the ££££ risks of doing so ourselves. We delivered the project on time and under budget, it was unheard of to do this on a project of this size and complexity for the NHS.

The answer is employ competent project mangers, let them get on with delivering what they were tasked to deliver and do not tie their hands behind their backs.

PRINCE 2, please, don't make me laugh any more, I can't take it.
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Old 26th Aug 2022, 22:50
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Originally Posted by meleagertoo View Post
You two evidently have far more active and febrile imaginations than I.
I have watched and rewatched that video three times now to see if I was mistaken, or to see if I can identify what you describe. No, I wasn't, an no I cannot. I'm nor saying what is depicted isn't as you describe, just that on watchng it three times at normal speed there is no way it could be identified as that.
What really bothers me is how you managed to do so...frame by frame examination?
Yukk.
Don't call me weird! You of all people!
I don't understand what you're complaining about. Nobody is forcing you to be here if you don't like it.
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Old 26th Aug 2022, 22:53
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Originally Posted by meleagertoo View Post
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Don't call me weird! You of all people!
I equally saw nothing but debris strewn across the bridge. Absolutely nothing that looked human.
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Old 26th Aug 2022, 23:11
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan View Post
I equally saw nothing but debris strewn across the bridge. Absolutely nothing that looked human.
You should have gone to Specsavers
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Old 27th Aug 2022, 00:04
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Yikes you are not joking. BTW, your Twitter links are not showing up, up like mine
The links are suppressed by the site fronted because a fullsize preview graphics panel is shown. Embedded in the post like the YouTube videos.

If that preview panel does not load (ISP restrictions, VPNs or not VPNs), a perfectly blank space is what you get.
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Old 27th Aug 2022, 00:17
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You should have gone to Specsavers
I'll agree with that, it was all perfectly clear on my 1st watch. Everything is of a similar colour, but still it's quite obvious.
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Old 27th Aug 2022, 00:22
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Yikes you are not joking. BTW, your Twitter links are not showing up, up like mine
The links are suppressed by the site fronted because a fullsize preview graphics panel is shown. Embedded in the post like the YouTube videos.

If that preview panel does not load (ISP restrictions, VPNs or not VPNs), a perfectly blank space is what you get.

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Old 27th Aug 2022, 00:34
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I'll agree with that, it was all perfectly clear on my 1st watch. Everything is of a similar colour, but still it's quite obvious.
Agree or its a different video, first 10 seconds (all i watched) there was a torso with nothing attached to it and blood stains on the a barrier behind it
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6 seconds in, part of body against wall, possibly arm, 22 seconds legless corpse. 34 seconds another burnt body. Total film length 40 seconds, happy now seeing corpses?

Geez, I do not believe I actually posted the above information. Hence why I never posted the link direct, those that want to see it will find it, I watched it just expecting to see the bridge damage, but having watched it realised what it contained hence not posting a direct link, reporting the bridge damage but warning others about the remains.

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Old 27th Aug 2022, 01:13
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More satellite views of the main Kherson bridge and the damage so far.

This image is from today, the lower one the 21st






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Old 27th Aug 2022, 01:16
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The pontoon bridge
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Well, it starts by swinging to an arm and part of a torso on the right, then moves on to the top half of a body on the right, then scans across to another torso along with bits everywhere on the left.

You have to remember, while most of us are adults on here, that does not necessarily mean everyone is, hence my reservation at posting it.

I told you where the link was and I posted a link in 8499, it was up to you to look for it.

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