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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 24th Jul 2022, 04:25
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
The simple reason Is anything younger than the 62 has western electronics in it so they are struggling to generate those from plundered and stripped stocks, the 62 is Soviet era so is less of a problem.
nothing in the reserves has ever had Western electronics. Any Soviet era electronics/electrics will have decayed.
Older stuff is probably mechanical and easier to get working.
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Old 24th Jul 2022, 04:49
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
The simple reason Is anything younger than the 62 has western electronics in it so they are struggling to generate those from plundered and stripped stocks, the 62 is Soviet era so is less of a problem.
72's and 80's are soviet era as well, but equipped with better radios and night vision. Take those off and you are good to go without any chips. Even the engine on those T62M's is the same as T72 early models. But: are the Russians really going to go into 21st century battle without any of those equipment?
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Old 24th Jul 2022, 08:06
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Originally Posted by Beamr
72's and 80's are soviet era as well, but equipped with better radios and night vision. Take those off and you are good to go without any chips. Even the engine on those T62M's is the same as T72 early models. But: are the Russians really going to go into 21st century battle without any of those equipment?
I've read reports that the equipment is being shipped to Ukraine without being tested.

Quantity has its own quality...

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Old 24th Jul 2022, 08:20
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Originally Posted by peter we
I've read reports that the equipment is being shipped to Ukraine without being tested.

Quantity has its own quality...
Which also has to have a certain quality, to be more than just a plethora of targets!
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Old 24th Jul 2022, 09:07
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Originally Posted by ORAC
Zelensky: 'No matter what Russia promises, it will find ways not to implement it.'

President Zelensky told a U.S. House delegation that the missile strike on Odesa's port the day after Ukraine and Russia reached an agreement for grain exports shows Moscow is not trustworthy.
I think Russia showed it isn't trustworthy, in 1980, 1992, 1993, 1993, 1995, 1996, 1998,.... .... 2014, 2022, 20XX. Paranoia that results in abuse of power should not be a source of sympathy to their isolation. No matter what, Russia owns this murder and mayhem, and Shultz needs to either poop or go.
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Old 24th Jul 2022, 09:37
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Originally Posted by dead_pan
Denys is okay but he does tend to pick up on talking points doing the rounds on social media, without any real depth of analysis. He was one pushing the line that Severodnetsk was a cunning trap laid by the Ukrainians, which turned out not to be the case.
The NE was and is a tough bit of turf for Ukraine, Russia has multiple supply routes in, and without the ranging munitions Ukraine was always going to be on the receiving end of Soviet-era arty. Russia has been nothing if not indiscriminate, interdiction would have made some difference, but, apparently, others in the west are more concerned about getting their kartoffel heated.

Ukraine still bled the forces there, and Russia's cynical ploy of putting conscripted Donbassians and Luhanatics into the front with pitchforks will have it's day again in Russia in the future, memory of having friends like Russia don't fade quickly. Would not be surprised that much of the wiring faults in the Rodina are due to "poor" DNR/LNR sparkies...

Ukraine forced the Russians to concentrate their mighty might up in the NE, and that has left the SW exposed for some time, and right now, any Ruskie west of the Dneiper probably feels unloved.

The losses of Russian forces that are reported in details for specific units show that they had catastrophic levels of casualties in the first phase, and since then, while the LNR/DNR have been taking hits, the generals, colonels and the rest show that the Red force is still in the field, and bleeding.

Every km that the Red forces advance increase the problem of their supply lines, and they never had at any time the manpower that was needed to control any area that they had taken, which then results in the vicious spiral of violent actions against the local population to suppress resistance, which historically gives strength to resist. The outcome is uncertain, however, even if Russia commences full mobilisation today, they won't be in any position for making that effective to attack before winter, so there is another calendar year before they get into the field. Discounting Germany and the other insipid supporters of the Ukrainians, Ukraine would have better air defense, artillery, armor and troops next year than this year.

Should Germany make up their mind? Lavrov and co have made it clear that they have intentions well beyond the purported justification for this irrational "special military operation", and that means that attacks will occur on the borders of EU member states, and that won't end will, Russia can't fire missiles in a straight line, they cannot distinguish civilian from a turnip, and they don't have the manpower already to do anything in the area they are in, so any extensions comes by way of their what...? "precision" weapons"?

If Russia doesn't reconsider their action and go home, Lavrovs stated intention will put German boots against Russian Troops in due course, so the prisoner's dilemma is pretty stark, and doesn't seem to support the vacillation and indecision that Herr Shultz comes up with every second statement.

It reminds me of the Pan Am B742 engine failure out of London that started jettison immediately, and was told by ATC, " oy, ya can't do that, the queen is in residence at Buckingham palace"; to which the crew replied, "then ask her if she wants the gas or the gas and the plane.."

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"Mum, there was a real circus today! At two o'clock in the morning, 15 "cargo 200s" [Russian military code for personnel killed in action - ed.]. They were watching movies on the tank. In short, they dropped a f**king drone into the tower! A drone, mum, a drone, f**k! It just flew up, dropped the ammunition and blew it up."
/facepalm watching a movie in a group in a warzone
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Old 24th Jul 2022, 09:57
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Originally Posted by rattman
/facepalm watching a movie in a group in a warzone
Where does this quote originate ?
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Old 24th Jul 2022, 10:06
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I've read reports that the equipment is being shipped to Ukraine without being tested.
Testing would reveal the wholesale stripping of high value items and open a can of worms - easier just to forge the paperwork.

Units are complaining of receiving tanks and APCs not only stripped of electronics and sights, but some even without engines or gearboxes.

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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
Where does this quote originate ?

Ukrainian Pravda:

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/07/24/7359891/

Video of the attack here (NSFW):


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Originally Posted by GeeRam
They are beams as such, the bridge is made up of factory precast full width sections with hollowed out deeper sections forming the 'beams'.......and a narrow cast-insitu strip down the middle between the sections.
Its not a conventional beam and slab type construction. As a structural engineer, I wouldn't be volunteering to drive over that in anything more than push bike tbh.
That's going to be a complicated repair.
As a structural engineer this will bring tears to your eyes. This is the dam bridge i believe.

Earlier, the army attacked the bridge across the Dnipro River in the area of the
Kakhovka hydroelectric power plant. Destroying bridges, the army wants to isolate the
troops on the right bank of the Dnipo in the direction of Kherson-Vysokopollya.
They are trying to fix










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Originally Posted by Wokkafans
Yep

Anyone know what they are refering to when they say "tower" heard it refered to a few times and haven't managed to figure out what they could be meaning
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Old 24th Jul 2022, 10:23
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Not exactly a moral booster for those at home, still he did get a medal


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Originally Posted by rattman
Yep

Anyone know what they are refering to when they say "tower" heard it refered to a few times and haven't managed to figure out what they could be meaning

It's what they call a tank turret.
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Old 24th Jul 2022, 10:32
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Bridge damage, they are hitting rail etc too



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Old 24th Jul 2022, 10:52
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Now that's accuracy,




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Old 24th Jul 2022, 11:12
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Originally Posted by Wokkafans
It's what they call a tank turret.
thanks makes sense
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Old 24th Jul 2022, 11:16
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Excellent thread

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...533770752.html

Putin's rule is weakening.
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Old 24th Jul 2022, 11:30
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UK provided Stormers, first view in theatre

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Originally Posted by ORAC
Excellent thread

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...533770752.html

Putin's rule is weakening.

And if you read this re Kherson it says

Rosgvardiya, internal security troops being recalled to Russia? They might be needed to protect Putin from "Regime Change"?
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