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Old 21st Mar 2021, 19:45
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But net pay probably very similar, given Jersey's less punative income tax?
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Old 21st Mar 2021, 20:00
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Originally Posted by spekesoftly View Post
But net pay probably very similar, given Jersey's less punative income tax?
Our taxation is lower than UK ... in that essentially its 20% with no upper band. So the higher earners actually do considerably better here.
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Old 21st Mar 2021, 22:19
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Only 100,000 p/a for a Chief Inspector of Police here in our peaceful little Island, with a population of about 110,000. 😎

https://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDoc...y%20scales.pdf
If only Bergerac had tried harder....

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Old 22nd Mar 2021, 02:19
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Bomber, Fighter, Coastal, Transport, Flying Training, Tech Training, Signals ...
RAF Germany, Far East AF, Near East AF, AF Middle East ...

... and I’m sure I’ve missed one!
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Talking of group captains and command HQs, I seem to recall there were 26 group captains at HQ FEAF at Changi when I was in Singapore in 1967.
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Old 22nd Mar 2021, 04:27
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This thread reminds me of that picture of a dozen managers stood around in high viz, holding clipboards, and watching one polish guy dig up the street.


The number of VSO's is unjustifiable, and has been for years. I remember being at Cranwitz at the height of the Iraq/Afghanistan distractions, and being astonished to find there was a Gp Capt for each of the pillars of leadership - WTAF?
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Old 22nd Mar 2021, 08:26
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If the terms to leave fail to exceed expectations, no one will go especially if outside prospects are minimal.

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Old 22nd Mar 2021, 08:59
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teeteeinghead's point about the RAF still being commanded by a 4* despite a fivefold reduction in size is, IMHO, completely undermined by the reduction in 4* posts over the same period with the disappearance of the C-in-C posts along with the commands (eightfold, by your reckoning: 7 commands plus one CAS, to just one CAS). One was retained as DCINC Air for a while but went a decade ago. So just one RAF 4* now (unless we're also filling UK StratCom, VCDS, CDS or NATO CMC).

30-20-20: if you were to abolish the 1* FCs, would you re-establish the 1* posts in Group HQs which preceded them? Just wondering whether you think the FCs actually do anything useful on behalf of the AOCs... they are not an 'additional' lower level of command, just parts of the Group HQ which happen to be dislocated from High Wycombe.
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Old 22nd Mar 2021, 09:03
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Possibly controversial opinion....

I think a bigger waste is the number of Sqn Ldrs and Wing Commanders.
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Old 22nd Mar 2021, 13:02
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Well I certainly started something there!!
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Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav View Post
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Thanks, TTN ... I vaguely knew because I used to have a long Distribution List at HQ MATO, and the figure of 12 Commands/AFs sort of stuck in my mind!
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Old 22nd Mar 2021, 19:06
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As most of the armourers have gone, perhaps the Groupies could take on their collective noun.

`A thicket of Groupies` sounds OK doesn't it? But I expect it will remain a `Plethora`

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Old 23rd Mar 2021, 03:33
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Possibly controversial opinion....

I think a bigger waste is the number of Sqn Ldrs and Wing Commanders.
You've eaten in the DFAC too?

I was always amazed at the hordes of SO2's of all three services cutting around KAF/Bastion apparently in HQ roles. There must have been 10 SO2's in a HQ to every lancejack in the field.
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Old 23rd Mar 2021, 11:50
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Originally Posted by oldmansquipper View Post
As most of the armourers have gone, perhaps the Groupies could take on their collective noun.

`A thicket of Groupies` sounds OK doesn't it? But I expect it will remain a `Plethora`

Tsk! It was never a "thicket" of armourers; the correct term is "a charm"!


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Oh no! A charm applies only to goldfinches
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Originally Posted by Bergerie1 View Post
What is the collective noun for a group of Group Captains?
A Vortex.

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Old 24th Mar 2021, 21:13
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Why not cut the group captain posts by 50 % at a stroke ?
A few years ago BA slashed the management headcount by a similar amount, my daughter was one who bailed out.
Despite the outcry, things continued and BA went on to record record profits.
One group captain per two aircraft is a nonsense.
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Old 24th Mar 2021, 21:42
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Originally Posted by Melchett01 View Post
OC 28 Sqn was a Sqn Ldr at the point of the Sqns disbandment in 97 when we handed HK back, becoming a Wg Cdrs post only in 2001 when it reformed at Benson.
OC 84 Sqn is still a Sqn Ldr. OC 78 was also a Sqn Ldr in Falklands days (until 2007 ISTR) but became a Wg Cdr when it reformed as a Merlin unit.
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On one section that I used to work on...it started with over 300 people back in 1990 with a wing commander, 5 squadron leaders and 15 JOs. When I departed 10 years ago there was one squadron leader, two JOs and a 50% mix of service and civvie with a strength of around 100 people. Still had the same number of secondary duties though (which the civvies didn't do). I had 9 secondary duties when I retired.
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