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RAF C-130J's to be retired early?

Old 28th Feb 2021, 11:44
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Old 28th Feb 2021, 11:46
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
The more difficult question is, if money and manpower for new kit requires something (as in a fleet with all costs in support it implies) has to go - what would you chop instead?

Other rumours indicating, of course, as usual, that the Puma fleet and RAF Regiment are also already on the possible chop list.....
In my first neck of the wood, there are already concerns about the Marshalls move and now this. Iíve assured friends and acquaintances as long as the Swedes, the Danes, the Dutch, the Kuwaitis and Qataris and now the USN/USMC fly them, then the Herks will always be seen and heard. In fact I was taking a stroll through Fen Ditton few weeks back when I caught this Dutch one on approach for some u/c work.




also before Xmas, took a stroll down Coldhams Lane and saw the first of many Marine Corps KC-130J (itís still here lasti heard) to arrive for maintenance work.





Puma situation is the equivalent of a heart or an organ transplant anyhow with the replacement penned in with this weeks International Military Helicopter conference.

Was there Not a similar rumor about the Rock Apes around a decade ago??

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Old 28th Feb 2021, 14:30
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On the 60 years of the Herc thread, there is at least one mention of an RAF Herc going u/s on overseas trips, and spares and assistance offered from the locally based overseas unit operating the Herc. Hard to see that happening with the A400.
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Old 28th Feb 2021, 15:38
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Regarding the A400, it was interesting to read about the trip taking vaccines down to ASI. Planned dep day/date, could not start the engines at BZZ, so 24 hour delay. Following day, managed to get airborne and got to Cape Verde for fuel stop, funnily had trouble starting engines again but finally got going and off to ASI. Not quite the best advert for A400, article was in Daily Telegraph last week.
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Old 28th Feb 2021, 15:49
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I believe the concept, at least at design phase, was that the Airbus civilian network would be perfectly adequate to distribute the required parts, given that the service element would be "in-house". Long time ago, but I do remember they had an answer to everything. I particularly liked the using of the loading ramp to extend the cargo space!
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Old 28th Feb 2021, 15:59
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Quick question then, while the pundits are assembled: The A400 seems to spend a lot of flying hours flogging from BZN to EXT to shoot a couple of circuits and flog back to BZN again. Surely such mind-numbingly dull aviating is done in a sim.
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Old 28th Feb 2021, 16:17
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We get them here too. Itís a public service to help keep ATCOs current. 😎
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Old 28th Feb 2021, 21:03
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And here every now and then.
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Old 28th Feb 2021, 21:15
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We even had one or two at Biggin last summer plus a couple of Hercs... not sure they did touch & goes or go arounds...
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Old 28th Feb 2021, 21:42
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C'mon, we all know: the only thing to replace an ageing Herc is a newer Herc.
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Well this was a nice surprise over the Scottish Borders at half ten this morning.


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Surely that bit of the Venn diagram which shows what the Herc can do which the A400 cannot is pretty small and diminishing (much as I love the Herc, growing up as I did under the shadow of Lyneham)?

As for SF uses, there are plenty of off-the-shelf civvy options which could meet that need (Kodiak, Caravan - hell even the mighty Skyvan!). Why not add this capability to JSFAW as they did with the Dauphin?
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So a Skyvan can fly from ASI to Argentina as was mulled over in 1982? Don't think so, might need a few fuel stops!
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Old 1st Mar 2021, 10:31
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Don't think so, might need a few fuel stops!
Could an '82 vintage Herc have done this without refuelling?

PS A mulled over op isn't actually an op.
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Originally Posted by MPN11 View Post
We get them here too. Itís a public service to help keep ATCOs current. 😎
Forgive my emoji naivety; do the sunglasses indicate sarcasm or are you suggesting that the CAA is funding A400 flights instead of using commercial assets? Or, again, simulators?
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One would almost think there was a defence review ongoing, what with all the leaking to encourage public/political outrage!
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The A400 might 'look' good (Not in my opinion compared to the C130 and C17) but in reality it's an Airbus in a military disguise.
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Old 1st Mar 2021, 17:27
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Originally Posted by esscee View Post
So a Skyvan can fly from ASI to Argentina as was mulled over in 1982? Don't think so, might need a few fuel stops!
Well the Argentine Coasties lost theirs under barrage of Naval gunfire ....

US Army had one example of a Skyvan ( confiscated from a drug smuggler) in the 80s, and didnít decade or two earlier approach Shorts to look into the Skyvan for SEA?

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Originally Posted by dead_pan View Post
Surely that bit of the Venn diagram which shows what the Herc can do which the A400 cannot is pretty small and diminishing (much as I love the Herc, growing up as I did under the shadow of Lyneham)?

As for SF uses, there are plenty of off-the-shelf civvy options which could meet that need (Kodiak, Caravan - hell even the mighty Skyvan!). Why not add this capability to JSFAW as they did with the Dauphin?
MV-22 for JSFAW. Simiilar/ longer range, than a CH47? Big enough for the majority of SF taking, faster than a CH47, para capable, able to get into confined areas, smaller and more agile than a herc- less observable, fast rope capable, USL- only thing I guess the herc- beats it on is range?

Might be able to afford one or two?
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Old 2nd Mar 2021, 08:54
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We should all know by now, it has little to do with capability, it has little to do with role, it has little to do with service requirement. It has everything to do with politics. MOD have been told they have to save £XXX,000,000 so that someone's company, in no way related to a minister, can be paid a fortune for PPE. COVID has to be paid for so the low hanging fruit is an easy target before the more difficult financial decisions have to be made.
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