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The Queen's Jubilee 2022

Old 22nd Feb 2021, 14:49
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
For those chucking visitor numbers around it might perhaps be worth bearing in mind that pre-pandemic Versailles was attracting around 8-10 million visitors a year without a "royal" to be seen or even in residence.
My point exactly.
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Old 22nd Feb 2021, 15:19
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DAVIDEVANS 54 said - and poverty on a level with little equal in the rest if Western Europe
Horse manure. Have you been to the suburbs in Paris lately? Looked at the tent cities of North African immigrants? I'm not trying to get into a willy-waving "our poverty is better than theirs" but that comment is rubbish.
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Old 22nd Feb 2021, 15:24
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French are right...royal family members should be......"shorter" )))))))
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Old 22nd Feb 2021, 20:04
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Originally Posted by heights good View Post
It's an odd one for me, and I would guess for a lots of other people.

I wanted to join the military to fly and do cool stuff, saying a few sentences to make it happen was the process. If I could have done the same thing as a civilian, I would have.

How many pilots joined to be an officer? Or, like 95%, having a commission was just the game that had to be played.

Did attesting mean anything to me on a deep level, not really. Have I dug out blind and done everything that was asked of me over many deployments, exercises and day-to-day sqn life, 100%.

I have never done anything because of a duty to the Queen. It has always been a duty to the guy or gal next to me and because it is what I chose as a career and what I feel I am morally obligated to do.

I think if a lot of people actually stopped and thought about their service on a deep level they would feel broadly similar.

I dont know many who would continue to uphold their oath if they were no longer paid.

That would suggest to me, that like everyone else, it is duty to paying the bills that is important, not allegiance to HM in a way you would have expected 300 yrs ago.

And just to be clear, I am in no way suggestion ill against HM or the royals.

I am merely suggesting that a royal family has no place in a modern society and they offer nothing tangible to the country as a whole as the show is run by politicians.
That's fair enough.....I know when I applied, my primary objective was not to serve the Queen though I am a monarchist with a small m. I was just genuinely curious as to how you rationalised it. You're right, loyalty to my comrades would have been uppermost in my mind too. I appreciate the honest answer.
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Old 22nd Feb 2021, 20:51
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So in June next year we can likely look forward to a reasonable flypast and a few extra days off..... Oh wait the miserable Police are out.....

Oh and after the last years events.... Old people!! Go out and celebrate...
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Old 22nd Feb 2021, 22:03
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Originally Posted by Herod View Post
To paraphrase Churchill. "The Monarchy isn't perfect; but it's better than all the other systems that have been tried."
Churchill said this of democracy, not the monarchy.

It kind of says the opposite of your point 😀
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Old 22nd Feb 2021, 22:15
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I DID say "to paraphrase Churchill"; and no, it isn't the opposite of my point. You seem to be under the belief that because we have a monarch, we are not a democracy. The two can co-exist.
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Old 22nd Feb 2021, 22:16
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Originally Posted by davidevans54 View Post
No, the haunting contempt for the over privileged, few in a country that has the most inequality of almost any Western nation, ( just visit inner city Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds or Glasgow) and poverty on a level with little equal in the rest if Western Europe.
Its from 2008 but I cant imagine much has improved since then.

https://www.euro.centre.org/downloads/detail/1080/1


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Old 22nd Feb 2021, 22:35
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Originally Posted by Herod View Post
I DID say "to paraphrase Churchill"; and no, it isn't the opposite of my point. You seem to be under the belief that because we have a monarch, we are not a democracy. The two can co-exist.
That very much depends on the kind of monarchy. In a proportion of cases you are indeed correct.

The previous example of the queen refusing to make her finances public is a good case in point, not terribly democratic.

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Old 23rd Feb 2021, 01:08
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WW2 medals were issued unnamed, WW1 were named. Gallantry weren’t named the date of award was inscribed.
Going back to a less controversial part of this thread, that statement isn't strictly correct. Whereas officers' decorations (DSC,MC,DFC etc) were traditionally issued unnamed, merely dated, since 1 January 1984 they have been officially named. Those which were awarded exclusively to other ranks were always named. These included the DSM, DCM, MM, DFM, AFM etc. These of course ceased to be awarded from 1993 when all ranks became eligible for those awards which had previously only been given to officers and warrant officers.

Incidentally the Victoria Cross is invariably named on the reverse of the suspension, whether it is awarded to an officer or another rank.
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Old 23rd Feb 2021, 16:21
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Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav View Post
Going back to a less controversial part of this thread, that statement isn't strictly correct. Whereas officers' decorations (DSC,MC,DFC etc) were traditionally issued unnamed, merely dated, since 1 January 1984 they have been officially named. Those which were awarded exclusively to other ranks were always named. These included the DSM, DCM, MM, DFM, AFM etc. These of course ceased to be awarded from 1993 when all ranks became eligible for those awards which had previously only been given to officers and warrant officers.

Incidentally the Victoria Cross is invariably named on the reverse of the suspension, whether it is awarded to an officer or another rank.
Ta TTN, I knew they weren’t all named, I just thought....it was all (or none).
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Old 24th Feb 2021, 07:34
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I take the blame for this Thread drifting away from where I started it - so let's see if we can get back to the original point.

The jubilee in 2022 offers a unique opportunity to acknowledge the very many things which might go unnoticed. For example, perhaps those who completed -say- 50 years in the public service during HMs reign might get the jubilee medal. It might be an opportunity to acknowledge those at the frontline working level of the NHS (we did issue an Ebola Medal). There might be a series of bursaries in the Queen's name for disadvantaged students. Research fellowships and the like might be endowed.

The opportunities are extensive but ppruners are nothing, if not imaginative - go to it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Old 24th Feb 2021, 11:06
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those who completed -say- 50 years in the public service during HMs reign might get the jubilee medal
. ... like your good self for example O-D!

Beats me with a mere 48 years and 4 months.........
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Old 26th Feb 2021, 13:34
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In that case Teeteringhead I must change the qualifying period to 55 years, as I would not wish to be accused of trying to elbow my way in by taking advantage. Hang on a moment - 55 years still leaves me in the frame!!!

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Old 1st Mar 2021, 13:22
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The previous example of the queen refusing to make her finances public is a good case in point, not terribly democratic.
I don't make my finances public either. Because I live in a democracy, I don't have to.
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Old 1st Mar 2021, 13:46
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Some democracies do tho - I think local authorities in Norway publish the local top 100 earners tax returns every year...................
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Old 1st Mar 2021, 14:35
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I DID say "to paraphrase Churchill"; and no, it isn't the opposite of my point. You seem to be under the belief that because we have a monarch, we are not a democracy. The two can co-exist.
I am reminded of the saying that the UK is a republic disguised as a monarchy, whilst France is a monarchy disguised as a republic.

(Due in most part to the failure of the 4th and DeGaulle’s establishment of the 5th presidential republic)
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Old 1st Mar 2021, 14:35
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Originally Posted by Blacksheep View Post
I don't make my finances public either. Because I live in a democracy, I don't have to.
You are a private citizen who is not paid benefits by the public purse.

If you receive benefits then you have to prove your finances in order to qualify. If it is good enough for several million private citizens....
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Old 1st Mar 2021, 16:47
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One would like to claim £50 million this year?
Does one have any assets?
Close to a £70 Billion plus change, but my dear little man, for the life of me, why should that matter, now orf you go and write out a cheque, there's a good fellow...
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Old 1st Mar 2021, 19:13
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And the alternatives, mes amis?

Sarkozy? Trump? Berlusconi? ... and many, many, more ...

Be careful what you wish for!
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