The Queen's Jubilee 2022
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Originally Posted by wiggy
For those chucking visitor numbers around it might perhaps be worth bearing in mind that pre-pandemic Versailles was attracting around 8-10 million visitors a year without a "royal" to be seen or even in residence.
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DAVIDEVANS 54 said - and poverty on a level with little equal in the rest if Western Europe
Horse manure. Have you been to the suburbs in Paris lately? Looked at the tent cities of North African immigrants? I'm not trying to get into a willy-waving "our poverty is better than theirs" but that comment is rubbish.
Horse manure. Have you been to the suburbs in Paris lately? Looked at the tent cities of North African immigrants? I'm not trying to get into a willy-waving "our poverty is better than theirs" but that comment is rubbish.
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Originally Posted by heights good
It's an odd one for me, and I would guess for a lots of other people.
I wanted to join the military to fly and do cool stuff, saying a few sentences to make it happen was the process. If I could have done the same thing as a civilian, I would have.
How many pilots joined to be an officer? Or, like 95%, having a commission was just the game that had to be played.
Did attesting mean anything to me on a deep level, not really. Have I dug out blind and done everything that was asked of me over many deployments, exercises and day-to-day sqn life, 100%.
I have never done anything because of a duty to the Queen. It has always been a duty to the guy or gal next to me and because it is what I chose as a career and what I feel I am morally obligated to do.
I think if a lot of people actually stopped and thought about their service on a deep level they would feel broadly similar.
I dont know many who would continue to uphold their oath if they were no longer paid.
That would suggest to me, that like everyone else, it is duty to paying the bills that is important, not allegiance to HM in a way you would have expected 300 yrs ago.
And just to be clear, I am in no way suggestion ill against HM or the royals.
I am merely suggesting that a royal family has no place in a modern society and they offer nothing tangible to the country as a whole as the show is run by politicians.
I wanted to join the military to fly and do cool stuff, saying a few sentences to make it happen was the process. If I could have done the same thing as a civilian, I would have.
How many pilots joined to be an officer? Or, like 95%, having a commission was just the game that had to be played.
Did attesting mean anything to me on a deep level, not really. Have I dug out blind and done everything that was asked of me over many deployments, exercises and day-to-day sqn life, 100%.
I have never done anything because of a duty to the Queen. It has always been a duty to the guy or gal next to me and because it is what I chose as a career and what I feel I am morally obligated to do.
I think if a lot of people actually stopped and thought about their service on a deep level they would feel broadly similar.
I dont know many who would continue to uphold their oath if they were no longer paid.
That would suggest to me, that like everyone else, it is duty to paying the bills that is important, not allegiance to HM in a way you would have expected 300 yrs ago.
And just to be clear, I am in no way suggestion ill against HM or the royals.
I am merely suggesting that a royal family has no place in a modern society and they offer nothing tangible to the country as a whole as the show is run by politicians.
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So in June next year we can likely look forward to a reasonable flypast and a few extra days off..... Oh wait the miserable Police are out.....
Oh and after the last years events.... Old people!! Go out and celebrate...
Oh and after the last years events.... Old people!! Go out and celebrate...
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Originally Posted by Herod
To paraphrase Churchill. "The Monarchy isn't perfect; but it's better than all the other systems that have been tried."
It kind of says the opposite of your point 😀
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I DID say "to paraphrase Churchill"; and no, it isn't the opposite of my point. You seem to be under the belief that because we have a monarch, we are not a democracy. The two can co-exist.
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Originally Posted by davidevans54
No, the haunting contempt for the over privileged, few in a country that has the most inequality of almost any Western nation, ( just visit inner city Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds or Glasgow) and poverty on a level with little equal in the rest if Western Europe.
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Originally Posted by Herod
I DID say "to paraphrase Churchill"; and no, it isn't the opposite of my point. You seem to be under the belief that because we have a monarch, we are not a democracy. The two can co-exist.
The previous example of the queen refusing to make her finances public is a good case in point, not terribly democratic.
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WW2 medals were issued unnamed, WW1 were named. Gallantry weren’t named the date of award was inscribed.
Incidentally the Victoria Cross is invariably named on the reverse of the suspension, whether it is awarded to an officer or another rank.
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Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav
Going back to a less controversial part of this thread, that statement isn't strictly correct. Whereas officers' decorations (DSC,MC,DFC etc) were traditionally issued unnamed, merely dated, since 1 January 1984 they have been officially named. Those which were awarded exclusively to other ranks were always named. These included the DSM, DCM, MM, DFM, AFM etc. These of course ceased to be awarded from 1993 when all ranks became eligible for those awards which had previously only been given to officers and warrant officers.
Incidentally the Victoria Cross is invariably named on the reverse of the suspension, whether it is awarded to an officer or another rank.
Incidentally the Victoria Cross is invariably named on the reverse of the suspension, whether it is awarded to an officer or another rank.
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I take the blame for this Thread drifting away from where I started it - so let's see if we can get back to the original point.
The jubilee in 2022 offers a unique opportunity to acknowledge the very many things which might go unnoticed. For example, perhaps those who completed -say- 50 years in the public service during HMs reign might get the jubilee medal. It might be an opportunity to acknowledge those at the frontline working level of the NHS (we did issue an Ebola Medal). There might be a series of bursaries in the Queen's name for disadvantaged students. Research fellowships and the like might be endowed.
The opportunities are extensive but ppruners are nothing, if not imaginative - go to it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The jubilee in 2022 offers a unique opportunity to acknowledge the very many things which might go unnoticed. For example, perhaps those who completed -say- 50 years in the public service during HMs reign might get the jubilee medal. It might be an opportunity to acknowledge those at the frontline working level of the NHS (we did issue an Ebola Medal). There might be a series of bursaries in the Queen's name for disadvantaged students. Research fellowships and the like might be endowed.
The opportunities are extensive but ppruners are nothing, if not imaginative - go to it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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those who completed -say- 50 years in the public service during HMs reign might get the jubilee medal
Beats me with a mere 48 years and 4 months.........
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In that case Teeteringhead I must change the qualifying period to 55 years, as I would not wish to be accused of trying to elbow my way in by taking advantage. Hang on a moment - 55 years still leaves me in the frame!!!
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The previous example of the queen refusing to make her finances public is a good case in point, not terribly democratic.
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I DID say "to paraphrase Churchill"; and no, it isn't the opposite of my point. You seem to be under the belief that because we have a monarch, we are not a democracy. The two can co-exist.
(Due in most part to the failure of the 4th and DeGaulle’s establishment of the 5th presidential republic)
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Originally Posted by Blacksheep
I don't make my finances public either. Because I live in a democracy, I don't have to.
If you receive benefits then you have to prove your finances in order to qualify. If it is good enough for several million private citizens....
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One would like to claim £50 million this year?
Does one have any assets?
Close to a £70 Billion plus change, but my dear little man, for the life of me, why should that matter, now orf you go and write out a cheque, there's a good fellow...
Does one have any assets?
Close to a £70 Billion plus change, but my dear little man, for the life of me, why should that matter, now orf you go and write out a cheque, there's a good fellow...
