Aeralis Modular Trainer
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...cut-costs-mod/
Pay-as-you-go RAF training jets could cut costs for MOD
A Royal Air Force contractor has signed a deal that paves the way for a pay-as-you-go training system for fighter pilots.
AirTanker, which rents Voyager refuelling craft to the RAF, has signalled that it is interested in renting out jet trainer aircraft that could be used to train fighter pilots.
It has signed a deal with Aeralis, which is positioning itself to provide a replacement for the RAF’s Hawk trainer aircraft. As well as training, its modular jets can be fitted with different suites of weaponry to also serve as attack aircraft.
AirTanker and Aeralis say they can provide cost-effective training for British warplane pilots and their allies and will discuss a “model” for doing so.…..
As well as teaching pilots to fly in a jet-powered aircraft, the platform is capable of being fitted with twin engines and training pilots in combat scenarios.
Aeralis said its jet should offer “significantly lower financing, acquisition and operating costs for aircraft compared to incumbents, paving the way for enabling a wide range of ‘on-demand’ operational air support services as part of the future of air force fleets.”
The jet is still in development but will fly in the next three years. Last year it won the backing of Rolls-Royce and ejector seat firm Martin Baker, as well as investment from the Royal Air Force’s Rapid Capabilities Office to test its system to allow electronic components to be swapped in and out and upgraded without the aircraft needing a costly recertification by regulators.
Its modular craft, sharing 85pc common parts, should help shave 30pc off costs over the life of the craft compared to a bespoke jet, which requires specific training and parts to maintain.
AirTanker started off as a collaboration between Airbus, Babcock, Cobham, Rolls-Royce and Thales, but Rolls, Babcock and Cobham sold out. It is now owned by Airbus, Thales and Equitix Investment Management.
Pay-as-you-go RAF training jets could cut costs for MOD
A Royal Air Force contractor has signed a deal that paves the way for a pay-as-you-go training system for fighter pilots.
AirTanker, which rents Voyager refuelling craft to the RAF, has signalled that it is interested in renting out jet trainer aircraft that could be used to train fighter pilots.
It has signed a deal with Aeralis, which is positioning itself to provide a replacement for the RAF’s Hawk trainer aircraft. As well as training, its modular jets can be fitted with different suites of weaponry to also serve as attack aircraft.
AirTanker and Aeralis say they can provide cost-effective training for British warplane pilots and their allies and will discuss a “model” for doing so.…..
As well as teaching pilots to fly in a jet-powered aircraft, the platform is capable of being fitted with twin engines and training pilots in combat scenarios.
Aeralis said its jet should offer “significantly lower financing, acquisition and operating costs for aircraft compared to incumbents, paving the way for enabling a wide range of ‘on-demand’ operational air support services as part of the future of air force fleets.”
The jet is still in development but will fly in the next three years. Last year it won the backing of Rolls-Royce and ejector seat firm Martin Baker, as well as investment from the Royal Air Force’s Rapid Capabilities Office to test its system to allow electronic components to be swapped in and out and upgraded without the aircraft needing a costly recertification by regulators.
Its modular craft, sharing 85pc common parts, should help shave 30pc off costs over the life of the craft compared to a bespoke jet, which requires specific training and parts to maintain.
AirTanker started off as a collaboration between Airbus, Babcock, Cobham, Rolls-Royce and Thales, but Rolls, Babcock and Cobham sold out. It is now owned by Airbus, Thales and Equitix Investment Management.
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Right well this sounds entirely reasonable. Ascent are failing to deliver in many ways on MFTS, and I know the T2 engine issue isn't 100% their fault, but trust me the track record is not great. So they sign an MOU with Aeralis last Summer and now that platform is being offered to rescue the dire state of UK FJ trg.
Is this Double Dipping at its absolute best? next news is Wiggy has a job with one of them!!
I can't post the link but just Google Aeralis and ascent mou, July 2022.
Is this Double Dipping at its absolute best? next news is Wiggy has a job with one of them!!
I can't post the link but just Google Aeralis and ascent mou, July 2022.
Show me the money.
I’ve said many times before, I dearly want the Aeralis project to work. I would love to see a successful British start up company break into the market with a brand new training solution.
I just don’t get how it’ll work though.
Touting Aeralis as a solution to the current Hawk problem is inexplicable. Ascent never bought the Hawk T2s. UKGOV did. So where are Ascent getting the money to fund the R&D and production of a new fleet of jet aircraft? It also makes a mockery of the ‘common fuselage’ concept when your customer only needs one type.
Even if the money were there to buy a fleet of Aeralis jet trainers how long would it take to see students launching on a GH1 profile in their shiny new steed? My guess would be that ten years from now would be an incredible achievement. If we’re willing to wait that long now why not just invest in a bunch of T50s or 346s straight off the production line?
My belief is that the Hawks will get sorted in the not too distant future and they will continue as planned (ish) for the next 20+ years. By which point Aeralis will either have found a large scale launch customer and be the global market leader, or circumstances will have changed beyond our current comprehension and a totally new solution will be required. Judging by the way everyone else is going it’ll either be a much higher performance trainer, a 100% simulated training syllabus or a world in which we no longer need to train pilots to get airborne in actual fighters. In any of those situations I’m not sure where Aeralis fits in.
Anyway, please prove me wrong and make me eat my words when Aeralis makes a fortune and saves the RAF in the process.
BV
I just don’t get how it’ll work though.
Touting Aeralis as a solution to the current Hawk problem is inexplicable. Ascent never bought the Hawk T2s. UKGOV did. So where are Ascent getting the money to fund the R&D and production of a new fleet of jet aircraft? It also makes a mockery of the ‘common fuselage’ concept when your customer only needs one type.
Even if the money were there to buy a fleet of Aeralis jet trainers how long would it take to see students launching on a GH1 profile in their shiny new steed? My guess would be that ten years from now would be an incredible achievement. If we’re willing to wait that long now why not just invest in a bunch of T50s or 346s straight off the production line?
My belief is that the Hawks will get sorted in the not too distant future and they will continue as planned (ish) for the next 20+ years. By which point Aeralis will either have found a large scale launch customer and be the global market leader, or circumstances will have changed beyond our current comprehension and a totally new solution will be required. Judging by the way everyone else is going it’ll either be a much higher performance trainer, a 100% simulated training syllabus or a world in which we no longer need to train pilots to get airborne in actual fighters. In any of those situations I’m not sure where Aeralis fits in.
Anyway, please prove me wrong and make me eat my words when Aeralis makes a fortune and saves the RAF in the process.
BV
Originally Posted by Bob Viking
I’ve said many times before, I dearly want the Aeralis project to work. I would love to see a successful British start up company break into the market with a brand new training solution.
I just don’t get how it’ll work though.
Touting Aeralis as a solution to the current Hawk problem is inexplicable. Ascent never bought the Hawk T2s. UKGOV did. So where are Ascent getting the money to fund the R&D and production of a new fleet of jet aircraft? It also makes a mockery of the ‘common fuselage’ concept when your customer only needs one type.
Even if the money were there to buy a fleet of Aeralis jet trainers how long would it take to see students launching on a GH1 profile in their shiny new steed? My guess would be that ten years from now would be an incredible achievement. If we’re willing to wait that long now why not just invest in a bunch of T50s or 346s straight off the production line?
My belief is that the Hawks will get sorted in the not too distant future and they will continue as planned (ish) for the next 20+ years. By which point Aeralis will either have found a large scale launch customer and be the global market leader, or circumstances will have changed beyond our current comprehension and a totally new solution will be required. Judging by the way everyone else is going it’ll either be a much higher performance trainer, a 100% simulated training syllabus or a world in which we no longer need to train pilots to get airborne in actual fighters. In any of those situations I’m not sure where Aeralis fits in.
Anyway, please prove me wrong and make me eat my words when Aeralis makes a fortune and saves the RAF in the process.
BV
I just don’t get how it’ll work though.
Touting Aeralis as a solution to the current Hawk problem is inexplicable. Ascent never bought the Hawk T2s. UKGOV did. So where are Ascent getting the money to fund the R&D and production of a new fleet of jet aircraft? It also makes a mockery of the ‘common fuselage’ concept when your customer only needs one type.
Even if the money were there to buy a fleet of Aeralis jet trainers how long would it take to see students launching on a GH1 profile in their shiny new steed? My guess would be that ten years from now would be an incredible achievement. If we’re willing to wait that long now why not just invest in a bunch of T50s or 346s straight off the production line?
My belief is that the Hawks will get sorted in the not too distant future and they will continue as planned (ish) for the next 20+ years. By which point Aeralis will either have found a large scale launch customer and be the global market leader, or circumstances will have changed beyond our current comprehension and a totally new solution will be required. Judging by the way everyone else is going it’ll either be a much higher performance trainer, a 100% simulated training syllabus or a world in which we no longer need to train pilots to get airborne in actual fighters. In any of those situations I’m not sure where Aeralis fits in.
Anyway, please prove me wrong and make me eat my words when Aeralis makes a fortune and saves the RAF in the process.
BV
Originally Posted by Out Of Trim
I can’t see the Aeralis taking off… 🤔
It would be a trainer at best! What else could it do? Even if you swapped the wings and engine. It doesn’t seem viable to me. 😬
It would be a trainer at best! What else could it do? Even if you swapped the wings and engine. It doesn’t seem viable to me. 😬
Advanced Hawk
Originally Posted by t43562
The one I was wondering about was the Advanced Hawk - the BAE/HAL thing with a new wing and a large screen display in the cockpit. Seems to have disappeared. If an upgrade like that cannot get funded then how would a totally new set of airframes?
BV
Originally Posted by Bob Viking
I’ve said many times before, I dearly want the Aeralis project to work. I would love to see a successful British start up company break into the market with a brand new training solution.
I just don’t get how it’ll work though.
Touting Aeralis as a solution to the current Hawk problem is inexplicable. Ascent never bought the Hawk T2s. UKGOV did. So where are Ascent getting the money to fund the R&D and production of a new fleet of jet aircraft? It also makes a mockery of the ‘common fuselage’ concept when your customer only needs one type.
Even if the money were there to buy a fleet of Aeralis jet trainers how long would it take to see students launching on a GH1 profile in their shiny new steed? My guess would be that ten years from now would be an incredible achievement. If we’re willing to wait that long now why not just invest in a bunch of T50s or 346s straight off the production line?
My belief is that the Hawks will get sorted in the not too distant future and they will continue as planned (ish) for the next 20+ years. By which point Aeralis will either have found a large scale launch customer and be the global market leader, or circumstances will have changed beyond our current comprehension and a totally new solution will be required. Judging by the way everyone else is going it’ll either be a much higher performance trainer, a 100% simulated training syllabus or a world in which we no longer need to train pilots to get airborne in actual fighters. In any of those situations I’m not sure where Aeralis fits in.
Anyway, please prove me wrong and make me eat my words when Aeralis makes a fortune and saves the RAF in the process.
BV
I just don’t get how it’ll work though.
Touting Aeralis as a solution to the current Hawk problem is inexplicable. Ascent never bought the Hawk T2s. UKGOV did. So where are Ascent getting the money to fund the R&D and production of a new fleet of jet aircraft? It also makes a mockery of the ‘common fuselage’ concept when your customer only needs one type.
Even if the money were there to buy a fleet of Aeralis jet trainers how long would it take to see students launching on a GH1 profile in their shiny new steed? My guess would be that ten years from now would be an incredible achievement. If we’re willing to wait that long now why not just invest in a bunch of T50s or 346s straight off the production line?
My belief is that the Hawks will get sorted in the not too distant future and they will continue as planned (ish) for the next 20+ years. By which point Aeralis will either have found a large scale launch customer and be the global market leader, or circumstances will have changed beyond our current comprehension and a totally new solution will be required. Judging by the way everyone else is going it’ll either be a much higher performance trainer, a 100% simulated training syllabus or a world in which we no longer need to train pilots to get airborne in actual fighters. In any of those situations I’m not sure where Aeralis fits in.
Anyway, please prove me wrong and make me eat my words when Aeralis makes a fortune and saves the RAF in the process.
BV
They are getting their funding from the MoD, more specifically from the RAF Rapid Capabilities office, Rolls-Royce and other institutional investors.
Proone
They are getting some funding. Not enough to build a factory and start building and flight testing jets. I realise that may come in time but it’s still a hell of a commitment to be customer number one. Especially with a limited defence budget and a current fleet of 15 year old training jets.
All that being said, it is still one of the rare times in my life where I want to be proven wrong.
BV
All that being said, it is still one of the rare times in my life where I want to be proven wrong.
BV
Originally Posted by Bob Viking
They are getting some funding. Not enough to build a factory and start building and flight testing jets. I realise that may come in time but it’s still a hell of a commitment to be customer number one. Especially with a limited defence budget and a current fleet of 15 year old training jets.
All that being said, it is still one of the rare times in my life where I want to be proven wrong.
BV
All that being said, it is still one of the rare times in my life where I want to be proven wrong.
BV
But, as you say, far more funding and some real estate required.
