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Old 13th Jan 2021, 10:21
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From what I read earlier, the handoff from Belgium (Eurocontrol) disappeared into the ether as they crossed the North Sea.

The plane was apparently a private aircraft from Nuremberg, Germany, according to flight trackers.

The RAF has since released a statement, saying: “QRA Typhoon aircraft were launched this afternoon from RAF Coningsby to intercept a civilian aircraft that had lost communications; subsequently, communications were re-established, the aircraft was intercepted and safely escorted to Stansted Airport.
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 10:34
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Null Orifice, I think you'll find the type was a Garbled ExpressJet and they have an inclusive extraview with David Learjet of Fright International...
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Looks like a Samoan tattoo artist's impression of the wartime Dazzle camouflage used on ships.

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This is the bizjet scheme I like, how cool is that!



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Old 13th Jan 2021, 14:28
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Originally Posted by LeftBlank
The aircraft would have been on an IFR Flight Plan and would have been talking to ATC. From the info released so far it looks like an equipment problem (or finger trouble) leading to a prolonged loss of communication. If ATC can’t get hold of the crew using all means then an intercept in these circumstances is standard procedure.
Didn't change squawk code then. Cheers, I thought it was totally unannouced. Of course any break in comms is a shout. 9/11 taught everyone that.
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FAI Completes Stand-Out Project Pearl Global Express Refurbishment

Hirer to interceptors: "Do you know who I am?"
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 18:26
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I hope the hirer that flew out of the UK on the aircraft was actually allowed to do so by the current coronavirus travel restrictions. If whom were, then that is fine. If not they should pay for the QRA shout. If they can afford to rent a Global Express, they can afford to.
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 06:43
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
This is the bizjet scheme I like, how cool is that!
Almost as cool as the previous owners two Spitfires, although he may have sold up.
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 08:17
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Hope the passengers, if no essential travel pay for it. They paid the bucks and likely told the pilots so. If not essential, they should get a flea in the ear too.
I'm sure visiting your tax lawyer in Barbados is essential work...
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 09:39
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Nothing that would make a sonic boom, but his hangar contains many nice things!
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 10:04
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SLF posting, if I may.

I thought standard procedure was to send two Typhoons up - but only one this time? Any idea why?
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There were 2 typhoons.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 14:56
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Originally Posted by tmmorris
I'm sure visiting your tax lawyer in Barbados is essential work...
Nah- that would be BVI, Bahamas or Caymans!
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 14:57
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There were 2 typhoons.
Only saw the one contrail (live near to M11)-unless they were in close?
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 15:11
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Originally Posted by toratoratora
Only saw the one contrail (live near to M11)-unless they were in close?
Same here - one boom, one contrail, and only one aircraft on the screenshots of the tracking site...
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 19:42
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Same here - one boom, one contrail, and only one aircraft on the screenshots of the tracking site...
That proves the stealth version works
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 23:10
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That proves the stealth version works
Hah!

I'm not so sure now - the official RAF response referred to aircraft (plural).
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Old 16th Jan 2021, 09:24
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Originally Posted by 25F
Same here - one boom, one contrail, and only one aircraft on the screenshots of the tracking site...
Lots of military/security situations have 2 parties operating in cooperation; one that the antagonist (and casual observers) can see, and one that is more covert.

One half of the team (policeman/nightclub-doorman/patrol) makes itself known to the target, attempts to determine their intentions, and seeks to influence their behavior. Because of their observability and proximity, however, they are not necessarily best placed to respond to aggressive or non compliant actions by the perpetrator.

The other half of the team (policeman/ambush party/interceptor) stands back, normally carries a big stick, and prepares to intervene if required. If you've noticed him, he's lost part of his advantage.

Rather than ask why you couldn't see the second Typhoon, perhaps we should be considering why we could see the first? Why would a military aircraft on a live operation employ the tactic of making itself visible on a tracking website and (presumably) on TCAS?

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Old 16th Jan 2021, 13:20
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Originally Posted by DuncanDoenitz
Rather than ask why you couldn't see the second Typhoon, perhaps we should be considering why we could see the first?
Wild guess: physics?
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Old 16th Jan 2021, 14:26
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Of course physics. Lots-of-noise physics, contrail physics, FR24 physics and Twitter physics.

All avoided by his buddy (not, I hasten to add, his wingman), who is quietly positioning himself in the target's 6.
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