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N Korea developing new nukes, tactical weapons and a nuke powered sub

Old 9th Jan 2021, 22:15
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N Korea developing new nukes, tactical weapons and a nuke powered sub

I suppose with the world in turmoil he’s taking advantage of Covid and the US elections to slip this in.

(CNN)North Korean leader Kim Jong Un said his country is developing new weaponry including a nuclear-powered submarine, tactical nuclear weapons and advanced warheads designed to penetrate missile defense systems.

In comments published Saturday, Kim said North Korea is pushing ahead with the armaments to deter the United States, comments that appear to show President Donald Trump's strategy of high-level engagement with Pyongyang -- including three historic in-person meetings between Trump and Kim -- failed to convince Pyongyang to stop its pursuit of a modern nuclear arsenal.
"No matter who is in power in the US, the true nature and the true spirit of the anti-North Korea policy will never change," Kim said, according to the country's state-run Korean Central News Agency (KCNA).
"The development of nuclear weapons be pushed forward without interruption."

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/09/a...hnk/index.html
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Old 10th Jan 2021, 07:48
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Rather odd stories coming out about how the Young Leader hasn't been giving the normally unmissable New Years Speech (s) - things sound very bad there - economy sinking (again) CV19 rampant and stories of lack of food.

Even the "elite" shops are emptying of goods
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Looks like some services are seeking extra funding.

Bearing in mind from laying down of keel to entering full operational performance in Western countries takes 12 yrs ................ HMS Audacious, then I doubt their new sub will be operational before next doors child is ready to join up. The child was born in January of last year.
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Old 10th Jan 2021, 11:27
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Wouldn't this mainly upset China to have some sort of nuclear Mini-Me next door?
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Wouldn't this mainly upset China to have some sort of nuclear Mini-Me next door?
They’ve already had that for years.
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China's security is guaranteed by mountains in the southwest, deserts in the northwest, tundra in the north and northeast and water in the south. The only land entry, as the Japanese used about ninety years ago, is Korea.

What better than to have a nuclear armed lunatic guarding every inch of it.
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
China's security is guaranteed by mountains in the southwest, deserts in the northwest, tundra in the north and northeast and water in the south. The only land entry, as the Japanese used about ninety years ago, is Korea.

What better than to have a nuclear armed lunatic guarding every inch of it.
Of course, a nuclear armed lunatic in the neighborhood might be incentive for others, such as S Korea or Japan to get their own as well.
Plus the example should encourage others who have arguments with China, such as Taiwan, Vietnam, the Philippines, maybe Brunei, to muscle up.
Longer term, is it to China's benefit to encourage proliferation?
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Of course, a nuclear armed lunatic in the neighborhood might be incentive for others, such as S Korea or Japan to get their own as well.
Plus the example should encourage others who have arguments with China, such as Taiwan, Vietnam, the Philippines, maybe Brunei, to muscle up.
Longer term, is it to China's benefit to encourage proliferation?
Muscle up and align.

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An early challenge to the spinal fortitude of the Biden Presidency - expect similar actions from China, Iran, and Russia in the coming year.
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Where does NK have all the money from? Nukes, missiles, subs. Not cheap to acquire especially under embargo rules. Will they blow their budget and collapse soviet union style with all this stuff going on?
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Where does NK have all the money from? Nukes, missiles, subs. Not cheap to acquire especially under embargo rules. Will they blow their budget and collapse soviet union style with all this stuff going on?
Most of their funds come from trade with China (most of the rest of the world has an embargo) - so the Chinese have to be somewhat complicit in allowing this to go on.

This is really will be an early test for Biden - he's long been buddy-buddy with mainland China and it's not a secret that he plans to "improve" relations with China (whatever that means).
Trump, for all his faults, understood that the Chinese are not our friends (with their own agenda) and treated them accordingly.
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NK also is deeply involved in all sorts of "dark web" trade - drugs of all sorts, arms dealing, financial scams etc

And of course they can devote as much of their GDP to arms as they like - its not the weasel like 1% of some European countries. In the past people have spent over 20% of GDP on arms (I seem to remember Israel was one of them). When you think that a Labour Govt in the UK financed an atomic bomb programme straight after the war when times were VERY tough you can see what can be done if it becomes an overriding national priority. And there is so much information out there for free these days - pictures, stories, brochures, books ,,,...... and people who are willing to help anyone for cash as well
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Another night, another parade. In The Times.
North Korea parades ‘world’s most powerful weapon

North Korea paraded a ballistic missile designed to be launched from a submarine, in an implicit threat to the United States and a new assertion of military power and determination days before the swearing in of Joe Biden.

The new missile, described by state media as “the world’s most powerful weapon”, was part of a large night-time military parade overseen by the country’s supreme leader, Kim Jong-un.

Despite including a wide range of military units and weaponry it does not appear to have featured North Korea’s longest-range intercontinental ballistic missiles, which have the potential to launch nuclear warheads against the United States, suggesting Mr Kim’s wish to apply pressure on the US but not blatantly to provoke.

“The columns of rockets possessed of powerful striking capability for thoroughly annihilating enemies in a pre-emptive way outside the territory, roared past,” a report from the Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) said. “The world’s most powerful weapon, submarine-launch ballistic missile [sic], entered the square one after another, powerfully demonstrating the might of the revolutionary armed forces.”

South Korea’s spy agency reported last November that North Korea was building a submarine capable of firing ballistic missiles, in a strategic breakthrough that would give Mr Kim renewed confidence in his ability to deter American military attack.
Click the link for photo & remainder of the article.
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This link has no paywall https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55671745
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You can bet the Big Fat One will NOT be going for a ride under the water.
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Old 16th Jan 2021, 10:53
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Originally Posted by tdracer View Post
Most of their funds come from trade with China (most of the rest of the world has an embargo) - so the Chinese have to be somewhat complicit in allowing this to go on.

This is really will be an early test for Biden - he's long been buddy-buddy with mainland China and it's not a secret that he plans to "improve" relations with China (whatever that means).
Trump, for all his faults, understood that the Chinese are not our friends (with their own agenda) and treated them accordingly.
Nations don't have friends, they do have interests.
China was once 'The Middle Kingdom', with an estimated 40% of global GNP. Understandably, they would like to restore that status.
They cannot be blamed if the US cooperates with their longer term goals by shifting its industrial base to China.
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Brings me back to the point can NK nukes be in China's interest at all? Aren't they even offensive towards their big brother?
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An early challenge to the spinal fortitude of the Biden Presidency - expect similar actions from China, Iran, and Russia in the coming year.
Of which he has is ZERO. The challenge will be for his handlers.....
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It can't get worse.
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Brings me back to the point can NK nukes be in China's interest at all? Aren't they even offensive towards their big brother?
They aren't of course - but China can't stop him without taking the place over - and they REALLY don't want to do that.
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