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F-14 pilot talks about his exchange tour on Tornado F3

Old 21st Nov 2020, 08:34
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Nothing. Just pointing out the irrelevance of the response.
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Old 23rd Nov 2020, 18:46
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Originally Posted by LOMCEVAK View Post
As there have been some comments about the Auto Wing Sweep and Manoeuvre Device System (AWSMDS) on Tornado vs the system on the F-14, I thought that I would try to add a little more detail, albeit from memory from a few years ago (30+ for the Toranado, 24 for the F-14D). The F-14 auto wing sweep was infinitely variable and set according to airspeed/Mach number. It could be manually overridden to a further aft position but not overridden further forwards. .

FWIW, as I recall it, the F-14 wing sweep was designed with four modes: Full auto, manual normal which as you said would not allow undersweep, manual emergency which allowed complete manual control without the undersweep protection, and ground attack. When the latter was selected the wings would automatically sweep to 55 and lock there. The purpose was to take one variable out of the equation when computing release point for dumb bombs, which was what the majority of weapons were in those days. I don't if all those modes remained during the Tomcat's entire career.

Interesting footnote: The world's first microprocessor chips, called the MP944, were designed and built for the F-14's Central Air Data Computer, which among other things controlled the moving surfaces of the aircraft including the wings.
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Old 23rd Nov 2020, 23:13
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Which bit of the air defence role was employed when going fast down low?

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Old 24th Nov 2020, 21:56
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Originally Posted by unmanned_droid View Post
I hadn't considered that the fuselage would mask the tail as much as suggested in the linked video.
The original design of MRCA / Tornado was for twin vertical stabilisers but this proved too challenging and/or expensive - so that huge monolithic tail was built instead.
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Old 25th Nov 2020, 22:40
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Did any USN Tomcat or Hornet drivers do exchanges with the RN Sea Harrier force, or was that limited to the USMC AV-8A/B community?
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Old 26th Nov 2020, 01:29
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Originally Posted by Rigga View Post
The original design of MRCA / Tornado was for twin vertical stabilisers but this proved too challenging and/or expensive - so that huge monolithic tail was built instead.
Yes, I'd attributed the vertical tail size to be more related to the short moment arm aft of the CG, rather than being influenced by fuselage masking at high angle of attack.

Interestingly some of the Typhoon EAP/EFA were just the same - twin tails on some including a fullsize mockup.
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Old 26th Nov 2020, 04:55
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Am I misremembering, or were there a couple of occasions the RHWR antenna departed the top of the fin due to shimmy during high AOA excursions in the F3?

(Going back, IIRC the original rounded fin on the Lightning F1 and F2 was replaced by the larger clipped on the F3/5/6 due to high speed shimmy which resulted in at least one tail breaking off the aircraft, and the 650kt speed limit?)

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Old 26th Nov 2020, 12:59
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Originally Posted by unmanned_droid View Post
Yes, I'd attributed the vertical tail size to be more related to the short moment arm aft of the CG, rather than being influenced by fuselage masking at high angle of attack.

Interestingly some of the Typhoon EAP/EFA were just the same - twin tails on some including a fullsize mockup.
I had occasion to spend some time in the photo archives at Warton many, MANY moons ago. I came away with the impression that they'd tried to put twin tails on just about every project since about 1960 ...
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Old 26th Nov 2020, 17:47
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Originally Posted by papabravowhiskey View Post
I had occasion to spend some time in the photo archives at Warton many, MANY moons ago. I came away with the impression that they'd tried to put twin tails on just about every project since about 1960 ...
Ha, two always being considered better than 1 I suppose.

The ones that stick in my mind are ECF and TKF90 but that's far too much thread drift.
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