Extinction Rebellion desecrate cenotaph.
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Not familiar enough with the modern Codes to give a specific charge On a charge sheet to someone offering a provocation to disturb the peace .
Such disrespect is definitely a provocation and most might be forgiven for reacting to such an affront and provocation . Not everyone has the hard discipline to turn the other cheek to Extremist provocations against our cultural heritage . Heritage that was once defended by Blood.
Such disrespect is definitely a provocation and most might be forgiven for reacting to such an affront and provocation . Not everyone has the hard discipline to turn the other cheek to Extremist provocations against our cultural heritage . Heritage that was once defended by Blood.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m not a fan of XR. I’m more a climate indifferent type.
I think you old timers just take offence too easily at anything that disturbs your traditions. Traditions are just that, a tradition and not a law or even a societal norm. Actually the normal nowadays is to break tradition and do your own thing. I guess that is understandable as when younger you are looking forwards but once you get older you just look back on life and traditions become important.
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No, I think 'Old Timers' have a sense of tradition but the people you call Old Timers probably have parents and grandparents who fought in Wars for the freedom of today's generation and when they see anyone desecrating memorials and writing "Is a Nazi" under the statue of Churchill.. the person who fought for their liberty.. they take offence. I do too and if you have a problem with that then I suggest that you need a sense of perspective.
I also have the feeling that if some LGBT daughter of a vet had placed a rainbow wreath we would be having the same argument.
Utter bollox and measly mouth rhetoric.. the act in question is not subjective and if you can provide a link between what you call "Old Timers" who wish to respect those that gave their lives for our freedom and someone who wishes to make a poliical statement against what he believes is climate change then I'd like to hear it.
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Utter bollox and measly mouth rhetoric.. the act in question is not subjective and if you can provide a link between what you call "Old Timers" who wish to respect those that gave their lives for our freedom and someone who wishes to make a poliical statement against what he believes is climate change then I'd like to hear it.
It’s quite funny because a lot of the older generation make fun of who they call “snowflakes” that get offended about everything. Which is true, but it’s a bit like the pot calling the kettle black as you are just as likely to find offence to anything that offends your traditions or “the way it used to be”.
The act in question is very subjective. A man very delicately (watch the video) stepping around the wreathes to place his a wreath just like others had. It had four words on it that on the face of it weren’t offensive (but otherwise a very respectful wreath).
I also have the feeling that if some LGBT daughter of a vet had placed a rainbow wreath we would be having the same argument.
I also have the feeling that if some LGBT daughter of a vet had placed a rainbow wreath we would be having the same argument.
When you go to a funeral, do you step carefully through the flowers to make sure yours are definitely at the top/centre and most prominent place ? Definitely on the top of the coffin where no one else has placed a wreath.
You probably do! Maybe that’s why you see no problem in this act. There’s a lot of people saying “Me first”, usually XR types.
I’d really like to slash his tyres on his car as a protest. Funny how XR people have cars !
The hypocrisy is outstanding, it’s YOU who shouldn’t have a car, not them.
If any of the squadrons placing wreaths at the cenotaph had acted like that we would also behaving this same conversation, we’d be saying “Did you see the way those arrogant twats from 2nn squadron acted”
So in your eyes, it’s ok if XR act like this, but not ok for everyone else?
Funny thing is, if they’d laid it respectfully that would have been fine in my eyes.
if a rainbow wreath had been placed respectfully no one here would mind or notice (except you of course, who would seem to have a problem with it)
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The Uniforms Act 1894 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/57-58/45
Again. What rule or regulation would he have broken?
That rainbow wreath is obviously in the same league as the XR wreath. A grandstanding political stunt designed to push an agenda. No place for it at the Cenotaph on Remembrance Day!
What's next? A big BLM wreath saying "act now on Colonialism"? A #metoo wreath with a picture of Weinstein?!
What's next? A big BLM wreath saying "act now on Colonialism"? A #metoo wreath with a picture of Weinstein?!
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That rainbow wreath is obviously in the same league as the XR wreath. A grandstanding political stunt designed to push an agenda. No place for it at the Cenotaph on Remembrance Day!
What's next? A big BLM wreath saying "act now on Colonialism"? A #metoo wreath with a picture of Weinstein?!
What's next? A big BLM wreath saying "act now on Colonialism"? A #metoo wreath with a picture of Weinstein?!
Shall we just ignore the many thousands of LGBT+ people who have given their lives in defence of this country, the majority of which during a time when they weren't allowed to serve openly as who they were?
I really hope you're being ironic.
Absolutely BVRAAM, every one who has fallen in war is the subject of Remembrance no matter their Colour, Creed, Race, sexual preference, whatever, and wreaths laid in their honour by individuals or associations are the traditional signifiers of that. They often bear the mottos of their associations or Service (like Be Prepared for the Scouts, many of whom died as such serving as messengers/runners). What they shouldn't bear is slogans (Join the Scouts, Act Now, etc). It's a War Memorial, not an advertising hoarding!
Tried to upload an image but it wouldn’t work(you can google it). It was a wreath laid at the cenotaph by the scouts saying “Scouts, join now”. I would say that is exactly the same as what we are talking about here. The only difference is it may be something you believe in. Like I said, subjective.
It’s quite funny because a lot of the older generation make fun of who they call “snowflakes” that get offended about everything. Which is true, but it’s a bit like the pot calling the kettle black as you are just as likely to find offence to anything that offends your traditions or “the way it used to be”.
It’s quite funny because a lot of the older generation make fun of who they call “snowflakes” that get offended about everything. Which is true, but it’s a bit like the pot calling the kettle black as you are just as likely to find offence to anything that offends your traditions or “the way it used to be”.
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Finningley Boy: From another 'Old Timer' - have an uptick......... +1 
Thoroughly sick of these people and their (social) media gambits. Free speech, the right to debate (as opposed to being shouted down) and protest is a fundamental right of a free, democratic, healthy society; BUT there is time and place for everything. This wasn't it.
Thoroughly sick of these people and their (social) media gambits. Free speech, the right to debate (as opposed to being shouted down) and protest is a fundamental right of a free, democratic, healthy society; BUT there is time and place for everything. This wasn't it.
Finningley Boy, Downwind.Maddl-Land,
I have no real wish to become involved in this somewhat specious arguement, but must agree that this was not the time or place to carry out this act! We all have our own thoughts and ideals for everything but this is, in my opinion only, not the place for any political (!) or personal act other than to remember those who gave their lives! By all means lay a wreath - with respect!!
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I have no real wish to become involved in this somewhat specious arguement, but must agree that this was not the time or place to carry out this act! We all have our own thoughts and ideals for everything but this is, in my opinion only, not the place for any political (!) or personal act other than to remember those who gave their lives! By all means lay a wreath - with respect!!
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Absolutely BVRAAM, every one who has fallen in war is the subject of Remembrance no matter their Colour, Creed, Race, sexual preference, whatever, and wreaths laid in their honour by individuals or associations are the traditional signifiers of that. They often bear the mottos of their associations or Service (like Be Prepared for the Scouts, many of whom died as such serving as messengers/runners). What they shouldn't bear is slogans (Join the Scouts, Act Now, etc). It's a War Memorial, not an advertising hoarding!
All those people you mention, sexual orientation-wise, are remembered by the various Service wreaths. No need to bring posturing political flags and slogans into it.
BVRAAM. Haven’t you been warned already about wading into subjects you clearly know nothing about?
Get some time in, if OASC will allow you, before you try to pontificate on subjects you know nothing about.
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Don't lecture me with your pathetic virtue signalling. The gay veterans you mention are already covered by the tributes at the Cenotaph. the Cenotaph is NOT for political stunts.
Get some time in, if OASC will allow you, before you try to pontificate on subjects you know nothing about.
Get some time in, if OASC will allow you, before you try to pontificate on subjects you know nothing about.
Even if the Pride flag was political (it's not, by the way... you are wrong), it represents those who were politically and societally oppressed by the very governments and society that they served and protected. Arguably, they are far better people than those who seek to unrecognize their service and sacrifice which has allowed this country to remain so great.
It's not virtue signalling, it's calling out blatant bigotry, which ironically is not tolerated in the Service you speak of.
War by its very nature is political. All of it. The politicians make the decision to go to war, and it's the young men and women who are sent off to fight it. Therefore, acts of remembrance are also political due to the political connection to war.
Even if the Pride flag was political (it's not, by the way... you are wrong), it represents those who were politically and societally oppressed by the very governments and society that they served and protected. Arguably, they are far better people than those who seek to unrecognize their service and sacrifice which has allowed this country to remain so great.
It's not virtue signalling, it's calling out blatant bigotry, which ironically is not tolerated in the Service you speak of.
Even if the Pride flag was political (it's not, by the way... you are wrong), it represents those who were politically and societally oppressed by the very governments and society that they served and protected. Arguably, they are far better people than those who seek to unrecognize their service and sacrifice which has allowed this country to remain so great.
It's not virtue signalling, it's calling out blatant bigotry, which ironically is not tolerated in the Service you speak of.
You do a great disservice to veterans by effectively calling Remembrance parades a political march. Stop now before you embarrass yourself further.
Remembering the war dead isn`t political as it covers all the parties, relegions, races. Wars may be political but it depends on who was in power at the time and what their reaction to the cause is and also the will of the people.