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Extinction Rebellion desecrate cenotaph.

Old 12th Nov 2020, 19:43
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Originally Posted by TURIN
Would you mind editing that?

I have just watched it. The ex soldier (not a walt) very respectfully salutes the monument, pauses and then, with great care and with frankly, nimble feet for a man his age, tip toes around all of the other wreaths, being extra careful not to tread on any of them and places his wreath. Nothing at all like the message you have portrayed.

You have managed to wind up the usual JB suspects who, without viewing the video themselves have jumped up and down in outrage at your stupidly inaccurate description of events.

Shame on you.

I have no links with XR but I do agree with some of their views, but not their idiotic anarchic actions. This is not one of them.
in the same way you are free to support his actions and would do the same yourself, I am free to find them despicable.

I know a XR Lieutenant (yes, they give themselves military ranks), I know exactly how they operate and their purpose, and if you think it’s about the environment, you are a bigger wally than Mr Bellend himself.

(What a name!)

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Old 12th Nov 2020, 19:52
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Originally Posted by 8029848s
I'll be frank...as an ex serviceman, and someone completely in tune with XR, the desecration of the Cenotaph to forward the issue of climate change is completely unacceptable. I don't have to ask other mates whom are ex servicemen on the issue...they would all agree.

Utterly disgraceful act.......

There are far better forums to forward the issue.
Just watched the video and how did he desecrate the memorial? He never once touched a wreath. He stepped very carefully and considerately. Just trying to see
where everyone’s wrath is coming from? I can’t see anything on the video.
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 20:06
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The dead (especially our servicemen and women) should not be used for propaganda....it's immoral....simple really when you think about it....
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Most naive statement ever.
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 23:17
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BVRAAM, you come across as exceptionally patronising. If you read more carefully you’ll note that I clearly mention Parliamentary privilege applying “in other circumstances”. In other words, not to this particular case.

Your position seems to be grounded in the mistaken idea that the right of free expression is accompanied by an entitlement to a platform. The Cenotaph fits most people’s definition of an inappropriate platform for any message besides one of remembrance, especially around Armistice Day. ‘Silencing’ XR’s act is no more a breach of free speech than broadcasters and masters of ceremonies pulling the plug on speakers as they ramble off-topic, or councils cleaning off graffiti.

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Old 13th Nov 2020, 00:01
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Originally Posted by highflyer40
Just watched the video and how did he desecrate the memorial? He never once touched a wreath. He stepped very carefully and considerately. Just trying to see
where everyone’s wrath is coming from? I can’t see anything on the video.
Posters on this thread already had an option and aired their dirty laundry without even so much as checking for facts.

Now back to the 'plane talk?
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Old 13th Nov 2020, 00:43
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How many Extinction Rebellion protesters does it take to change a light globe?

Nobody knows, they have never changed anything...
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Old 13th Nov 2020, 01:29
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Funny how they do their cause the opposite of what they aim to achieve.

It's because of people like them disrupting our lives that make everyone want to do the complete opposite and vote for Trump...
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Old 13th Nov 2020, 07:31
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When I was at University in the 70s it was the Trotskyists .
They transmogrified into the Greenpeace then the Socialist Alliance and now Getup and XR.
There is a proportion of society that lives in a state of permanent grievance and whose solution is always the same.
A variation of Fascism / Communism / Trotskyism / Maoism blah blah blah.....
The cycle repeats.
The Enlightenment , Reformation and the defeat of Communism / Fascism may be historic aberrations.
Normal service will be resumed..........

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Old 13th Nov 2020, 08:11
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When I was at university in London's East End at the beginning of the '70s, there wasn't such a plethora of groups. 'SocSoc' was a bunch of noisy socialists, there were anti-Barclays Bank protesters (due to Barclays DCO having South African investments in the apartheid era), Peter Hain and the Anti-Apartheid Movement, NUS protests etc. Skinheads threatening 'bovver' were soon reminded that, even though they were behind bars, The Twins didn't approve of casual crime or street violence on 'their manor'.....

Fortunately the University Air Squadron held much greater interest - and as APOs we were well paid after 1970!
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Old 13th Nov 2020, 09:33
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I support the OP. In my view this stunt did amount to desecration, never mind if wreaths were trodden on or deftly avoided. Whether one supports the ideals of those involved or not, they were wrong to promote them on that date and at that place. The Cenotaph means so much to those who've lost those to whom it is dedicated. It means less or nothing to those who have used it over the years to express their protests or anger, against whom or whatever. There is a growing tendency these days to demand one's own rights, including an ever widening interpretation of what is 'free speech', rather than a consideration of the rights of others.

In wearing his uniform to conduct this act of desecration this ex soldier brought shame upon it as well as himself. Single item agenda lists always skew any resultant acts towards the disproportionate and inappropriate. This act was completely inappropriate and unjustified.
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Old 13th Nov 2020, 13:30
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XR offer no solution only a lack of respect and disruption to those going about their business and are usually in the form of down trodden leftie types such as the great unwashed, the unemployed and students.
They shout, scream, tantrum and holler like juviniles, Whereas those making a difference to reduce climate change, across all industries, quietly innovate, create employment and better peoples lives for a lower carbon future
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Old 13th Nov 2020, 13:58
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I have no love for groups such as XR or any others, however I watched the video several times and I did not see him stepping on wreaths, he was in fact quite respectful as far as I could see.

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Originally Posted by 1.3VStall
He wasn't intervening in a peaceful protest, he was simply removing an inappropriate wreath that had been placed there by a prat.
The wreath was significantly bigger than the others and placed higher up than the others which is not in accordance with normal "Flag Ettiquette".

The Metropolitan Police took no action, just sat in their van.

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Originally Posted by mbriscoe
The wreath was significantly bigger than the others and placed higher up than the others which is not in accordance with normal "Flag Ettiquette".

The Metropolitan Police took no action, just sat in their van.
That would probably be because it wasn’t a police matter. He hadn’t broken any laws. So why would they intervene? “Flag Ettiquette”. Seriously?

I don’t go in for XR and wish they would just go away, but he didn’t lay a placard. He laid a wreath. You may not like that it didn’t conform with your perceived standards, but it was a wreath.
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Old 13th Nov 2020, 17:21
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What I saw was that this was in London and when he was interviewed the next day we was, presumably, at home in Cambridge
Which part of essential work journeys only did he not understand. ..
So why did he not do this in Cambridge....ah yes national reporting.. Egotistical git....
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Originally Posted by Kiltrash
What I saw was that this was in London and when he was interviewed the next day we was, presumably, at home in Cambridge
Which part of essential work journeys only did he not understand. ..
So why did he not do this in Cambridge....ah yes national reporting.. Egotistical git....
Actually Remembrance Day activities were exempt from travel restrictions. Otherwise all those others there would have been guilty of the same offence. I don’t imagine they all lived within walking distance of the centotaph.
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There was a time if a soldier was still wearing the uniform he could be charged under the Kings regulations .
What changed ? If the protestor is still wearing the uniform is he not under the rules and regulations ?
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Originally Posted by fitliker
There was a time if a soldier was still wearing the uniform he could be charged under the Kings regulations .
What changed ? If the protestor is still wearing the uniform is he not under the rules and regulations ?
Again. What rule or regulation would he have broken?
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Not familiar enough with the modern Codes to give a specific charge On a charge sheet to someone offering a provocation to disturb the peace .
Such disrespect is definitely a provocation and most might be forgiven for reacting to such an affront and provocation . Not everyone has the hard discipline to turn the other cheek to Extremist provocations against our cultural heritage . Heritage that was once defended by Blood.


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