Extinction Rebellion desecrate cenotaph.
Would you mind editing that?
I have just watched it. The ex soldier (not a walt) very respectfully salutes the monument, pauses and then, with great care and with frankly, nimble feet for a man his age, tip toes around all of the other wreaths, being extra careful not to tread on any of them and places his wreath. Nothing at all like the message you have portrayed.
You have managed to wind up the usual JB suspects who, without viewing the video themselves have jumped up and down in outrage at your stupidly inaccurate description of events.
Shame on you.
I have no links with XR but I do agree with some of their views, but not their idiotic anarchic actions. This is not one of them.
I have just watched it. The ex soldier (not a walt) very respectfully salutes the monument, pauses and then, with great care and with frankly, nimble feet for a man his age, tip toes around all of the other wreaths, being extra careful not to tread on any of them and places his wreath. Nothing at all like the message you have portrayed.
You have managed to wind up the usual JB suspects who, without viewing the video themselves have jumped up and down in outrage at your stupidly inaccurate description of events.
Shame on you.
I have no links with XR but I do agree with some of their views, but not their idiotic anarchic actions. This is not one of them.
I know a XR Lieutenant (yes, they give themselves military ranks), I know exactly how they operate and their purpose, and if you think it’s about the environment, you are a bigger wally than Mr Bellend himself.
(What a name!)
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I'll be frank...as an ex serviceman, and someone completely in tune with XR, the desecration of the Cenotaph to forward the issue of climate change is completely unacceptable. I don't have to ask other mates whom are ex servicemen on the issue...they would all agree.
Utterly disgraceful act.......
There are far better forums to forward the issue.
Utterly disgraceful act.......
There are far better forums to forward the issue.
where everyone’s wrath is coming from? I can’t see anything on the video.
BVRAAM, you come across as exceptionally patronising. If you read more carefully you’ll note that I clearly mention Parliamentary privilege applying “in other circumstances”. In other words, not to this particular case.
Your position seems to be grounded in the mistaken idea that the right of free expression is accompanied by an entitlement to a platform. The Cenotaph fits most people’s definition of an inappropriate platform for any message besides one of remembrance, especially around Armistice Day. ‘Silencing’ XR’s act is no more a breach of free speech than broadcasters and masters of ceremonies pulling the plug on speakers as they ramble off-topic, or councils cleaning off graffiti.
Your position seems to be grounded in the mistaken idea that the right of free expression is accompanied by an entitlement to a platform. The Cenotaph fits most people’s definition of an inappropriate platform for any message besides one of remembrance, especially around Armistice Day. ‘Silencing’ XR’s act is no more a breach of free speech than broadcasters and masters of ceremonies pulling the plug on speakers as they ramble off-topic, or councils cleaning off graffiti.
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Now back to the 'plane talk?
Funny how they do their cause the opposite of what they aim to achieve.
It's because of people like them disrupting our lives that make everyone want to do the complete opposite and vote for Trump...
It's because of people like them disrupting our lives that make everyone want to do the complete opposite and vote for Trump...
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When I was at University in the 70s it was the Trotskyists .
They transmogrified into the Greenpeace then the Socialist Alliance and now Getup and XR.
There is a proportion of society that lives in a state of permanent grievance and whose solution is always the same.
A variation of Fascism / Communism / Trotskyism / Maoism blah blah blah.....
The cycle repeats.
The Enlightenment , Reformation and the defeat of Communism / Fascism may be historic aberrations.
Normal service will be resumed..........
They transmogrified into the Greenpeace then the Socialist Alliance and now Getup and XR.
There is a proportion of society that lives in a state of permanent grievance and whose solution is always the same.
A variation of Fascism / Communism / Trotskyism / Maoism blah blah blah.....
The cycle repeats.
The Enlightenment , Reformation and the defeat of Communism / Fascism may be historic aberrations.
Normal service will be resumed..........
When I was at university in London's East End at the beginning of the '70s, there wasn't such a plethora of groups. 'SocSoc' was a bunch of noisy socialists, there were anti-Barclays Bank protesters (due to Barclays DCO having South African investments in the apartheid era), Peter Hain and the Anti-Apartheid Movement, NUS protests etc. Skinheads threatening 'bovver' were soon reminded that, even though they were behind bars, The Twins didn't approve of casual crime or street violence on 'their manor'.....
Fortunately the University Air Squadron held much greater interest - and as APOs we were well paid after 1970!
Fortunately the University Air Squadron held much greater interest - and as APOs we were well paid after 1970!
I support the OP. In my view this stunt did amount to desecration, never mind if wreaths were trodden on or deftly avoided. Whether one supports the ideals of those involved or not, they were wrong to promote them on that date and at that place. The Cenotaph means so much to those who've lost those to whom it is dedicated. It means less or nothing to those who have used it over the years to express their protests or anger, against whom or whatever. There is a growing tendency these days to demand one's own rights, including an ever widening interpretation of what is 'free speech', rather than a consideration of the rights of others.
In wearing his uniform to conduct this act of desecration this ex soldier brought shame upon it as well as himself. Single item agenda lists always skew any resultant acts towards the disproportionate and inappropriate. This act was completely inappropriate and unjustified.
In wearing his uniform to conduct this act of desecration this ex soldier brought shame upon it as well as himself. Single item agenda lists always skew any resultant acts towards the disproportionate and inappropriate. This act was completely inappropriate and unjustified.
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XR offer no solution only a lack of respect and disruption to those going about their business and are usually in the form of down trodden leftie types such as the great unwashed, the unemployed and students.
They shout, scream, tantrum and holler like juviniles, Whereas those making a difference to reduce climate change, across all industries, quietly innovate, create employment and better peoples lives for a lower carbon future
They shout, scream, tantrum and holler like juviniles, Whereas those making a difference to reduce climate change, across all industries, quietly innovate, create employment and better peoples lives for a lower carbon future
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I have no love for groups such as XR or any others, however I watched the video several times and I did not see him stepping on wreaths, he was in fact quite respectful as far as I could see.
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The Metropolitan Police took no action, just sat in their van.
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I don’t go in for XR and wish they would just go away, but he didn’t lay a placard. He laid a wreath. You may not like that it didn’t conform with your perceived standards, but it was a wreath.
What I saw was that this was in London and when he was interviewed the next day we was, presumably, at home in Cambridge
Which part of essential work journeys only did he not understand. ..
So why did he not do this in Cambridge....ah yes national reporting.. Egotistical git....
Which part of essential work journeys only did he not understand. ..
So why did he not do this in Cambridge....ah yes national reporting.. Egotistical git....
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What I saw was that this was in London and when he was interviewed the next day we was, presumably, at home in Cambridge
Which part of essential work journeys only did he not understand. ..
So why did he not do this in Cambridge....ah yes national reporting.. Egotistical git....
Which part of essential work journeys only did he not understand. ..
So why did he not do this in Cambridge....ah yes national reporting.. Egotistical git....
There was a time if a soldier was still wearing the uniform he could be charged under the Kings regulations .
What changed ? If the protestor is still wearing the uniform is he not under the rules and regulations ?
What changed ? If the protestor is still wearing the uniform is he not under the rules and regulations ?
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Not familiar enough with the modern Codes to give a specific charge On a charge sheet to someone offering a provocation to disturb the peace .
Such disrespect is definitely a provocation and most might be forgiven for reacting to such an affront and provocation . Not everyone has the hard discipline to turn the other cheek to Extremist provocations against our cultural heritage . Heritage that was once defended by Blood.
Such disrespect is definitely a provocation and most might be forgiven for reacting to such an affront and provocation . Not everyone has the hard discipline to turn the other cheek to Extremist provocations against our cultural heritage . Heritage that was once defended by Blood.