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USMC Mid-Air - F-35/KC-130

Old 3rd Oct 2020, 16:27
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The ejection seats either have a beacon integral to them or are connected to the pilot's beacon (or both) so that the distress signal is broadcast long before the pilot gets to the ground.

Pilots getting out of jets at Valley and forgetting to disconnect frequently set off their beacons and it wasn't unusual to have to hover around the base in a Wessex to locate the guilty Sqn.

Equally I ended up hovering outside a hangar in S Wales having homed to a PLB signal that was triggered during maintenance of a Harrier seat.
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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 19:21
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Originally Posted by JumpJumpJump
I might say that to my GIB (if so equipped), otherwise, I'm pulling the "handles" and getting out. Let ATC figure it out. Of course, it is always best to transmit as much information to ATC (or whomever) prior to ejection ... if there's enough time.

By the way, I have no experience with ejection seat-equipped aircraft. I'm just a card-carrying coward, and as soon as the idea "eject" entered my brain, I'm outta there. I do, however, have a couple of friends who successfully ejected from stricken aircraft ... one from an F-105 at near M-1.

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Thirty four years ago last month, I had a mid-air and ejected from an A-10. As there was nothing left of my airplane at 500’, I put the priority on pulling handles. Squadron received a phone call with approximate position before lead got ATC to call home base. So, no need to tell ATC, they’ll figure it out.
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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 19:30
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You forgot the
1 to post that there is no appostrophe in URLs
That apostrophe worked as I thought it would though.
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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 22:30
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
The ejection seats either have a beacon integral to them or are connected to the pilot's beacon (or both) so that the distress signal is broadcast long before the pilot gets to the ground.

Pilots getting out of jets at Valley and forgetting to disconnect frequently set off their beacons and it wasn't unusual to have to hover around the base in a Wessex to locate the guilty Sqn.

Equally I ended up hovering outside a hangar in S Wales having homed to a PLB signal that was triggered during maintenance of a Harrier seat.
😂

I’m shocked to find that many years later; you’re still in hot pursuit of a firm grasp of the irrelevant.

“Emergency“.

Nice job to the Herc crew.
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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 22:42
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Originally Posted by LTCTerry
My dad flew USN F-4s. I recall him describing refueling as closing at some level of minimum thrust and having one engine in burner before being done. Not a lot of performance overlap yet it has worked for 50 years.
I'm idly wondering if that's me in ancientaviators picture...

Anyhow as I recall it ( Spey engined F-4M, tanking off C-130, generally at low level, "down south"), things like stall margin, lack of power, etc was never an issue, no need for burner or "tabogganing"..During my time on the F-4M I had the pleasure of tanking off the Victor, Vulcan, C-130, KC-135 (with the short hose attachment on the boom) and the VC-10 - the C-130 was the easiest by far IMHO..

The main issue/gotcha with the 130 was obviously (?) being aware that you were dealing with a tanker with a lower IAS than you normally dealt with, so watch the overtake..and if at low level not to stuff a handful of power on if you started were dropping back.. ..because the result could be spectacular...

As to the argument over RT ..I really can't get fussed..I spent plenty of years post mil flying into/out of the States - it's their train set and their R/T phraseology is their own, e.g... "position and hold" rather than "line up and wait"...etc..whatever, it all works out..
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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 22:53
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Originally Posted by MightyGem
A bit like this really:
How many pilots does it take to change a nav light?

1 to change the nav light and to post that the nav light has been
changed

14 to share similar experiences of changing nav lights and how the nav light could have been changed differently

7 to caution about the dangers of changing nav lights

7 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing nav lights

5 to flame the spell checkers

3 to correct spelling/grammar flames

6 to argue over whether it's "navlight" or "nav light"

... another 6 to condemn those 6 as anal-retentive

2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is
"position light"

15 know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that "nav
light" is perfectly correct

19 to post that this forum is not about nav lights and to please take
this discussion to a navlight forum

11 to defend the posting to this forum saying that we all use nav
lights and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum

36 to debate which method of changing nav lights is superior, where to buy the best nav lights, what brand of nav lights work best for this technique and what brands are faulty

7 to post URL's where one can see examples of different nav lights

4 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the
corrected URL's

3 to post about links they found from the URL's that are relevant to
this group which makes nav lights relevant to this group

13 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all
headers and signatures, and add "Me too"

5 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the nav light controversy

4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?"

13 to say "do a Google search on nav lights before posting questions about nav lights"

1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again.

That was a brilliant rant
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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 23:03
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Doesn't the Martin Baker Departure Lounge also launch a bunch of chaff, to make a bigger radar splodge?
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Old 4th Oct 2020, 01:35
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Praising the pilot of the Herc, deservedly so, it could all have gone terribly wrong

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/new...ion-with-f-35/
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Old 4th Oct 2020, 01:41
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Originally Posted by WHBM
Bet California doesn't allow that. There are specialists with kit to do this. You truck all the contaminated ground away to them, where a centrifuge-like machine heats it, mixes it with water, splits it into components, etc and deals with it all. Expensive machine, not used that much, so costs a lot when you do. Charged by the ton. Meanwhile, truck back in fresh soil. Old roadside fuel station sites invariably have petrol and diesel which has leaked from the tanks into the ground below and needs this before you build something else there.
Yes, we had a bowser rupture the tank on a HAS door on 14 Sqn, they did exactly the same, I can still picture the FSgt trying to plug the huge hole with a sandbag like the little Dutch boy.
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That was a brilliant rant
It is, but he missed the step where someone posts a rant. Only ever once been on an aircraft in which a MAYDAY was made, when I got to the "communicate" part of the aviate, navigate, communicate the copilot said "I've already done that", I was still at the aviate stage when he did so and completely missed the fact, he did an outstanding job.
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He also missed out the Engineer would have to visit to repair the mess the pilot made of fitting the nav light in the first place.
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Old 4th Oct 2020, 07:31
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Still trying to imagine the sequence of events and actions that resulted in the coming together of these aircraft.

This link is boom AAR as opposed to probe and basket, but if you can manoeuvre an AWACS to avoid a catastrophe, then you should be able to do the same in an F35B I would have thought


Control restriction, lose article, sun in eyes .....
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Old 4th Oct 2020, 07:53
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
The ejection seats either have a beacon integral to them or are connected to the pilot's beacon (or both) so that the distress signal is broadcast long before the pilot gets to the ground.

Pilots getting out of jets at Valley and forgetting to disconnect frequently set off their beacons and it wasn't unusual to have to hover around the base in a Wessex to locate the guilty Sqn.

Equally I ended up hovering outside a hangar in S Wales having homed to a PLB signal that was triggered during maintenance of a Harrier seat.
When Harry the Staish ejected @ EGQS in the late 90s he was worried about the chance of a mid-air over the Moray Firth. This was while hanging from his parachute watching the Nimrod homing onto his beacon, below him.
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Old 4th Oct 2020, 08:29
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wiggy,
no idea who who the F4 crew were. I think the F4 was probably the most photographed a/c from this position on the RAF C130 tanker.
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JPJP - not really understanding the point of your post. I was clarifying the existence of beacons on the seat for a previous poster - is that not allowed by the pprune police?
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Old 4th Oct 2020, 10:01
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Originally Posted by Just This Once...
Yikes - only 1 engine looks to be intact.

I would think the damage to No1 has been caused by the AAR pod detaching or a prop / pod ground strike during the landing event, it appears to be lying some distance behind the aircraft.. that much out of balance prop damage on a running eng would have resulted in the loss of the prop or engine..
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Originally Posted by ancientaviator62
wiggy,
no idea who who the F4 crew were.
Bet someone knows the captain of XV213 (taken around the same time) though!


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I would think the damage to No1 has been caused by the AAR pod detaching or a prop / pod ground strike during the landing event, it appears to be lying some distance behind the aircraft.. that much out of balance prop damage on a running eng would have resulted in the loss of the prop or engine..
I think there is also a large dent to the port front fuselage around the cockpit glazing, seen best in the photo in post #61. Tree strike on very short final?
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Yep, the port drop tank probably ripped off the wing either during the mid air or during the emergency landing...
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Obviously not....
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