Germany to buy F-18 Super Hornet And reduce Typhoon orders
Please bear in mind I知 not a Typhoon guy but I値l do my best!
By your username I知 assuming you used to defend the air from the cockpit of a Lightning. Back in those days bombs etc were no more complex than a lump of metal to drop from the right piece of sky. Very little software was required and carriage trials would have been quite simple. We also did a lot of the work ourselves and didn稚 have partner nations to worry about.
Nowadays jets are too clever for their own good and you can稚 just strap on whatever you like without modifying the software. This is expensive and can involve the cooperation of multiple nations. It is especially complicated where nuclear secrets are involved.
I hope that makes sense. And I hope I知 not talking a load of rubbish.
BV
By your username I知 assuming you used to defend the air from the cockpit of a Lightning. Back in those days bombs etc were no more complex than a lump of metal to drop from the right piece of sky. Very little software was required and carriage trials would have been quite simple. We also did a lot of the work ourselves and didn稚 have partner nations to worry about.
Nowadays jets are too clever for their own good and you can稚 just strap on whatever you like without modifying the software. This is expensive and can involve the cooperation of multiple nations. It is especially complicated where nuclear secrets are involved.
I hope that makes sense. And I hope I知 not talking a load of rubbish.
BV
Edit.
Added to that is the requirement, as part of the change control process, for any subsequent change to be supported by a Nuclear Safety impact statement.
Last edited by Buster15; 13th Jan 2022 at 12:44.
Even 'back-in-the-day' the clearance process was not easy or a given - Tornado had to be additionally hardened (twice) and, as a fleet fit, was only cleared for 1 store from 1 shoulder pylon. Sea Harrier was even more difficult and when they say it was hard-wired to a single pylon, they really mean it! The Jag clearance was based more on hope than physics and with later EMP testing it wouldn't have stood a chance. The results of the 'late-service' test of the Bucc proved to be more embarrassing than was forecast, albeit for opposite reasons(!).
Doing it with an electric jet but not from the outset is another world of pain.
Doing it with an electric jet but not from the outset is another world of pain.
F-35's are back on table as options according to https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/20...-stealth-jets/
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Even 'back-in-the-day' the clearance process was not easy or a given - Tornado had to be additionally hardened (twice) and, as a fleet fit, was only cleared for 1 store from 1 shoulder pylon. Sea Harrier was even more difficult and when they say it was hard-wired to a single pylon, they really mean it! The Jag clearance was based more on hope than physics and with later EMP testing it wouldn't have stood a chance. The results of the 'late-service' test of the Bucc proved to be more embarrassing than was forecast, albeit for opposite reasons(!).
Doing it with an electric jet but not from the outset is another world of pain.
Doing it with an electric jet but not from the outset is another world of pain.
"F-35's are back on table as options "
You never want to be negotiating with just a single supplier - even if you've made up your mind
You never want to be negotiating with just a single supplier - even if you've made up your mind
I don't think this is just a fake. I think the new government is seriously reconsidering the choice towards a more future oriented solution. Knowing that an ECR version of the Typhoon is planned anyway also as a preparation for FCAS and the F-35 being way mor future proof solution than the F-18 this makes more sense in the long run.
Agreed, this isn't a negotiating tactic to get a better price out of Boeing for the SH/Growler. A lot of water has passed under the bridge since Berlin agreed under pressure from Paris not to buy the F-35, not least has been Madrid joining FCAS and eyeing up the F-35A/B for itself.
The French miffed the new german government with "their" new EU-taxonomy labeling nuclear power as being "green" now so EU support for aging french reactors will have to get co-funded by the "green" german government. All this was launched exactly when the new german government was busy with elections and setting up its coalition-structures. Now the Germans feel like moving out of Mali and buying Lightnings regardless of FCAS.
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Looking at it rationally besides the fact of getting a much more future proof and potent Nuclear Strike Platform this would also mean more EF Typhoons which in turn supports German Industry Jobs. A further benefit is that it forces Germany to develop ECR- EF which helps building up competencies for FCAS. So far there is a perceived imbalance regarding FCAS when it comes to work share vs. cost/risk- share between France and Germany. Only real downside is that they will have to go to NATO and apologize for not providing promised EW capabilities in time.
The French miffed the new german government with "their" new EU-taxonomy labeling nuclear power as being "green" now so EU support for aging french reactors will have to get co-funded by the "green" german government. All this was launched exactly when the new german government was busy with elections and setting up its coalition-structures. Now the Germans feel like moving out of Mali and buying Lightnings regardless of FCAS.
Dragging it off topic but this was an quid pro qo agreement between the german and french govt. Germany would agree to nuclear being declared green (justifiable requiest in my opinion) France would agree to the same for LNG. The germans got a lot of backlash and cancelled the agreement
Not sure about those claimed backdoor agreements? The current german government coalition would certainly never have agreed to some deal like this. And the last government (Merkel) even abandoned nuclear power production within Germany altogether after the Fukushima accidents. France needs to overhaul it's entire nuclear infrastructure. Some priority EU support funding because of being tagged "green" now will come in quite handy.
BTW The germans buy nuclear power made elsewhere and face nuclear power plants next door in neighbouring countries close to their border.
BTW The germans buy nuclear power made elsewhere and face nuclear power plants next door in neighbouring countries close to their border.
Not sure about those claimed backdoor agreements? The current german government coalition would certainly never have agreed to some deal like this. And the last government (Merkel) even abandoned nuclear power production within Germany altogether after the Fukushima accidents.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/02/b...tural-gas.html
German Chancellor is currently speaking to the Bundestag - Bundeswehr will get 100 billion Euros in 2022 to be made combat ready - going forward Nato requirement of 2% will not only be met but exceeded - FCAS top priority - armed Heron UCAS will be bought - Eurofighter is getting an ECM variant - Germany buys F-35 for nuclear sharing
German Chancellor is currently speaking to the Bundestag - Bundeswehr will get 100 billion Euros in 2022 to be made combat ready - going forward Nato requirement of 2% will not only be met but exceeded - FCAS top priority - armed Heron UCAS will be bought - Eurofighter is getting an ECM variant - Germany buys F-35 for nuclear sharing
