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-QRA lunchtime and Voyager support from the ‚Hall

Old 13th Sep 2020, 00:09
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-QRA lunchtime and Voyager support from the ‚Hall

Never thought I would see a QRA launch nor did I think tanker crews scrambling. Always seen footage of USAF AMC / ANG / AFRES Kc-135R crews race to the ready when the klaxon goes off don’t matter if it shall a century ago under SAC or ACC. I imagine our Valiant, Victor and VC-10 And Tristar crews did a the height of the Cold War ...

Wandered over to the ‚Hall today and saw one of BRize’s finest parked up supposedly on alert. It’s not the first time Voyager has been in East Anglia in support of Fightertown Lincs finest and north of Hadrians Wall Typhoon assets.

Apparently today’s catch up in the Scottish isles was not Bear but Sukhoi SU-27/30/33. Anyhow here are my photos below.













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Intrusions on a weekend?

what a shocking lack of decency those Russians exhibit.....
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Originally Posted by chopper2004 View Post
Never thought I would see a QRA launch nor did I think tanker crews scrambling. Always seen footage of USAF AMC / ANG / AFRES Kc-135R crews race to the ready when the klaxon goes off don’t matter if it shall a century ago under SAC or ACC. I imagine our Valiant, Victor and VC-10 And Tristar crews did a the height of the Cold War ...

Wandered over to the ‚Hall today and saw one of BRize’s finest parked up supposedly on alert. It’s not the first time Voyager has been in East Anglia in support of Fightertown Lincs finest and north of Hadrians Wall Typhoon assets.

Apparently today’s catch up in the Scottish isles was not Bear but Sukhoi SU-27/30/33. Anyhow here are my photos below.












Hadrian's Wall's in Northumberland. Which assets are you referring to?
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Old 13th Sep 2020, 21:49
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Originally Posted by alwayslookingup View Post
Hadrian's Wall's in Northumberland. Which assets are you referring to?
wherever the RAF Typhoons are this month I guess.

But, “The Hall”, “Fightertown”, really? Spotter talk I suppose



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I imagine our Valiant, Victor and VC-10 And Tristar crews did a the height of the Cold War ...
as a minor diversion from the topic. Q1 and Q2 would normally hold RS10 With the odd period when one would slip down to RS30 whilst they rotated a jet from the line for routine flying scheduling; The VC-10s would normally hold RS60 to 3hrs from the Sqn or home etc.

But I remember one exercise when 216 declared on state at RS30 and I asked how long they could maintain on state.

After a short pause they replied that they’d set up stretchers in the back and were set up to empty the toilets and resupply rations - but one of the crew had leave booked in two weeks time.....

(I know, I know, the amount of time any aircraft could remain “cocked” at a certain RS varied for many reasons. But it was a good line)
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Actually the so-called 3 hrs really meant 61 minutes! SOC would have preferred us to hold RS60 but that would have meant considerable expense on 'Q' accommodation at the squadron, particularly overnight. I've certainly been scrambled from '3 hrs' at 0-dark-00 and been airborne in 40 minutes, including getting into flying kit (5 min), driving to Brize (20 min) and over to the squadron, cranking up and launching off...

I think the best time we did was crewroom to airborne in 7 min, including driving down to the old 'R U S T' bays and taking 26 short!

Sometimes orders could be confusing. We were once at RS60 on the squadron when, in response to a query from Ops, SOC replied "OK, let them go". Which Ops took to mean "Let them go home" - whereas it was in fact a scramble order.... Fortunately we always used the '20 minute rule' - leave it for 20 min after a 'revert to 3 hours' instruction as it wasn't unknown for SOC to have a sudden change of mind! So we got airborne in time!
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Please can someone tell me what "The Hall" is?

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Mildenhall presumably?

Guessing the V-22 gives it away...

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Originally Posted by salad-dodger View Post
wherever the RAF Typhoons are this month I guess.

But, “The Hall”, “Fightertown”, really? Spotter talk I suppose
Coningsby perhaps?
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Coningsby perhaps?
Or Lakenheath down the road.
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Or Lakenheath down the road.
The enthusiasts I encounter around country dub Coningsby Fightertown. Then again thought in the old days of Det 4, the Blackbird crews may have dubbed EGUN as ‚The Ranch‘ when calling up returning. I know ‚The Ranch‘ is Predominantly referred to Groom Lake.

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Fightertown, shows how young many are getting that it may seem incomprehensible to some that there were at one time three or four along the East Coast, purely for the purpose of intercepting intruders etc. What I could never understand was the weight of action on the shoulders of the Leuchars squadrons while Binbrook, Coningsby and Wattisham shared the Southern Q between them. In 1979, it was essentially down to 43 Sqn's Phantoms detached to Kinloss while runway resurfacing and ASM (hope the initials are in the right order, I know what it means just not what it stands for) programme went ahead at the Fife Aerodrome. 111 were sent to Coningsby.

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FB, not strictly true. It was 1975, not 1979 and during the three months we were at Kinloss we had the assistance of crews from the southern squadrons. They arrived current and understood that they would get the bare minimum of flying, just enough to maintain currency. I think they did a week at a time but I'm prepared to be corrected. They were known as Q slaves (very non-PC).
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Actually the so-called 3 hrs really meant 61 minutes! SOC would have preferred us to hold RS60 but that would have meant considerable expense on 'Q' accommodation at the squadron, particularly overnight.
At Marham in Victor days I could hold 3 hours readiness at my house in King's Lynn. I would often receive a phone call telling me I was now at RS 60. No use me muttering that in fact I might not be at RS 60 for another hour at least,depending on the traffic, the execs didn't think along those lines, you were just expected to work miracles.

What do they call this operation these days, by the way? In my time it was Dragonfly, which later changed to Tansor. No doubt there is a new name for what is essentially the same job.
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Originally Posted by gzornenplatz View Post
FB, not strictly true. It was 1975, not 1979 and during the three months we were at Kinloss we had the assistance of crews from the southern squadrons. They arrived current and understood that they would get the bare minimum of flying, just enough to maintain currency. I think they did a week at a time but I'm prepared to be corrected. They were known as Q slaves (very non-PC).
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I trust you were on 43 and I won't argue that you deployed to Kinloss for three months in 1975, I bow to your better recollection. However, Leuchars went on Bolthole from the end of 1978 to the end of 1979. 43 to Kinloss, as before, and 111, with their Phantoms, to Coningsby. My own personal recollection. 1975, 43 were operating alongside 23's Lightnings and 892's Phantoms and the PTF's Phantoms. Am I correct sir?

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I know Leuchars were at Kinloss late 70's as my brother came up with them, and quite a few of them were accommodated at Lossie. Leuchars runway must have been pretty shite, as I recall them also being up at Lossie on Q in either 84 or 85. Got some slides somewhere of them.
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Originally Posted by Finningley Boy View Post
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...............However, Leuchars went on Bolthole from the end of 1978 to the end of 1979. ..........?

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Are you sure about that? I was stationed at Leuchars from Jul 1974 until October 1979 and I don't recall a second Bolthole. Leuchars was always very busy and toward the end of my tour there, the station nearly ran out of AVTUR during one period of intense flying operations. Leuchars held an Open Day in September 1979 with both flying and ground displays, something that wouldn't have happened if they were on Bolthole.
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Are you sure about that? I was stationed at Leuchars from Jul 1974 until October 1979 and I don't recall a second Bolthole. Leuchars was always very busy and toward the end of my tour there, the station nearly ran out of AVTUR during one period of intense flying operations. Leuchars held an Open Day in September 1979 with both flying and ground displays, something that wouldn't have happened if they were on Bolthole.
I can't get hold of anything currently to prove otherwise, but there was no Leuchars airshow after 1978 until 1981. Honest.

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In the early days of the VC10K, if scrambled it was very necessary to get to the jet asap to avoid having your trip pinched by the Boss!

The standard from Brize was to turn at 500ft direct for Wallasey, climbing to about FL310, then pedal to the metal towards the play area. Some interpretation of 500ft was a bit liberal and after the late G**g M**K****n had, with the help of a strong easterly wind, managed to turn between Stn Ops and where the C-17s now live, we'd had a bit of a finger wagging from on high. Shortly afterwards, in the early hours of a hot, humid and airless summer morning we were scrambled with the Boss flying. The wind was just within limits for a downwind take-off on RW08(Short), so off we thundered at full power. Rather than climb at V2+20, he accelerated straight to min flap retract speed, then remembering the edict, waited until 500 ft before he turned...... (High ISA dev, tailwind, diurnal effect, shallow climb angle...) As a result, we roared over west Witney at rather low level, waking up most of Thorney Leys and
the Windrush Valley Estate - a mate who lived in Thorney Leys later said that the 'sound of freedom' was quite indescribable! Radio Oxford's switchboard was jammed and the Stn Cdr wasn't best pleased. Strangely enough, no-one mentioned early turns after that....

The spotters might not have seen a Q-launch back then, but they probably heard it!

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O the roar of 4 mighty Conways at military power!
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