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Unsafe Russian intercept of B-52 on 28th Aug

Old 30th Aug 2020, 07:40
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Unsafe Russian intercept of B-52 on 28th Aug

Comrade Ivan up to tricks again

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Once again the everyday professionalism of the Russian airman is an inspiration to us all.
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Originally Posted by Martin the Martian View Post
Once again the everyday professionalism of the Russian airman is an inspiration to us all.
I understand your point but I don't think Cordiality and routine safety concerns were uppermost in the Russian chap's thoughts, less so the authority which sent him up there.

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Old 30th Aug 2020, 12:06
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Imagine the outcry if the roles were reversed, as I would be very surprised if any fighter pilot did that to a Russian bomber!
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Originally Posted by Finningley Boy View Post
I understand your point but I don't think Cordiality and routine safety concerns were uppermost in the Russian chap's thoughts, less so the authority which sent him up there.

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My sarcasm was too subtle, obviously. Russian interception protocol seems to have nothing to do with safe flying and airmanship, but plenty to do with being absolute cockwombles.
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 19:33
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Originally Posted by Martin the Martian View Post
cockwombles.
Thank you for enhancing my Canadian vocabulary with a new, fantastic word!

Fully agree, you can get the same point across without being a tool. Didn't they used to do this kind of stuff regularly during the Cold War at slightly farther distances (or was it always like this?)


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Old 30th Aug 2020, 21:32
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Originally Posted by Martin the Martian View Post
My sarcasm was too subtle, obviously. Russian interception protocol seems to have nothing to do with safe flying and airmanship, but plenty to do with being absolute cockwombles.
Indeed Martin, but I suspect the Russian chap is under a guidance to give off a rather more anti-social message than that established between the RAF (for example) and the Soviet Union, now some 55 years ago, when a Leuchars based Lightning first came across a Soviet TU-16 over the North Atlantic. Cordiality, that word again, was established and a light mood developed to varying degrees depending on the temperature of the cold war at the particular time, this could on occasion see Soviet TU-95 crews holding up new copies of Playboy/Penthouse etc, or even amended classified NATO documents! Nowadays, I suspect the mood is less agreeable and the Russian SU-27 Jockey miss-judged his "aggressive" pass this time. Putin has a bit of a Bee in his Bonnet with the West generally currently.

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Maybe the Russian pilot is a Top Gun Fan and Flying a Maverick maneuver is just good sport
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Черт возьми. Откуда взялся этот b52?
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I have read the tire brand of an airplane that flew over me in the classic high wing low wing hard too see event , I have had ropes from a float plane go past my window in cloud . Those guys had loads of room . Whiners . Those military formation flyers get way closer than that .
The thing that would worry me in that B52 is where is the Russian wing man . My guess would be high six or five o clock . I thought the interdiction teams hunted in pairs , highly unlikely he was up there all alone .

oops watched the video again spoted one of the wingmen
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If you look closely he's hiding behind the port outer engine I think - big blind spot there
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 18:21
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Same video as posted in the OP link.
From YouTube.

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Where were the Mustangs

Daylight No Mustang cover what do you expect !!! You would think the Ruskies could find some 50 year old machines to intercept them !!!!
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The Russian fighter violated danish airspace overhead Bornholm island while doing his maneuvers the US claim. The Danes sent interceptors but the Su had turned back to Kaliningrad before they could reach it.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...the-baltic-sea
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Bet the Buff crew wished their number included the gunner again!
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Originally Posted by Stu666 View Post
Comrade Ivan up to tricks again

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AFAIK this was over the Black Sea, wasn't it? If so, what "Uncle Sam's soldiers" were doing there, especially with a strategic bomber? No surprise that "Ivan" was a little bit more tough than usual.
Imagine Tu-160 or -95 in the Gulf of Mexico near the US waters.
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Originally Posted by A_Van View Post
AFAIK this was over the Black Sea, wasn't it? If so, what "Uncle Sam's soldiers" were doing there, especially with a strategic bomber?
International airspace, isn't it?

Imagine Tu-160 or -95 in the Gulf of Mexico near the US waters.
Or the boundaries of UK airspace? What purpose do these sorties serve, other than exactly what the B52s were up to?
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Originally Posted by A_Van View Post
AFAIK this was over the Black Sea, wasn't it? If so, what "Uncle Sam's soldiers" were doing there, especially with a strategic bomber? No surprise that "Ivan" was a little bit more tough than usual.
Imagine Tu-160 or -95 in the Gulf of Mexico near the US waters.
Nothing would happen apart from a professional intercept and shadow. No different to the Tu-95s that came down the Californian coast. The Russians would be the first to complain if their aircraft flying in international airspace were being aggressively intercepted and air thumped.

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Absolutely no need for the air thumping manoeuvre when the B-52 was in international airspace. Sadly it is going to take a collision or an in-flight emergency to stop such non-sense.

All this was meant to have been sorted out way back in the 1970s and re-agreed in the late 1990s. Both sides realised that it was getting out of hand and put in place procedures to try and prevent such incidents.

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See following for 1998 agreements.

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It seems to be a fairly regular occurence. The US Navy brought up the agreement for an incident back in May this year where two Russian Su-35s were used to restrict the movement of a P-8 Poseidon over the Mediterranean in international airspace.

For the third time in two months, Russian pilots flew in an unsafe and unprofessional manner while intercepting a U.S. Navy P-8A Maritime Patrol and Reconnaissance Aircraft in the U.S. 6th Fleet, May 26, 2020.

On May 26, 2020, a U.S. Navy P-8A aircraft was flying in the Eastern Mediterranean over international waters and was intercepted by two Russian Su-35 aircraft over a period of 65 minutes. The intercept was determined to be unsafe and unprofessional due to the Russian pilots taking close station on each wing of the P-8A simultaneously, restricting the P-8As ability to safely maneuver.

The unnecessary actions of the Russian Su-35 pilots were inconsistent with good airmanship and international flight rules, and jeopardized the safety of flight of both aircraft.

While the Russian aircraft was operating in international airspace, this interaction was irresponsible. We expect them to operate within international standards set to ensure safety and to prevent incidents, including the 1972 Agreement for the Prevention of Incidents On and Over the High Seas (INCSEA). Actions like these increase the potential for midair collisions.

This incident follows two unsafe interactions in April, over the same waters. In all cases, the U.S. aircraft were operating in international airspace, consistent with international law, with due regard for safety of flight, and did not provoke this Russian activity.
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 13:52
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Originally Posted by A_Van View Post
No surprise that "Ivan" was a little bit more tough than usual.
If you sign a treaty agreeing to do one thing but do the opposite instead does not make a country tough. It makes it stupid.

Stupid state leadership, with a stupid air force, doing stupid things.

Being stupid is easy.
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