Soldiers, Sailors and ...?
What flying badges will the renamed aviators/warfighters/arcadians wear?
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I understand from a recent D&I brief that CAS was recently counselled with regards to the use of the term 'Ladies and Gentlemen' when addressing an audience due to the possible offence caused to individuals who do not identify as either. This appears to be in line with a number of other organisations (London Underground, JAL, Air Canada, Easy Jet etc) who have removed the phrase from their opening announcements - does anyone know what the official MOD guidance is on the use of the term? As previously mentioned in this post it does look like the days of Sir and Ma'am (as in Jam) are indeed numbered as they automatically assign a gender to the recipient - there must be a paper somewhere doing the rounds regarding this. It also makes for an interesting conundrum for the fitness test which also assigns you a gender....genuinely interested (and the D&I girl individual didn't seem to know).
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Individual? I thought they were team workers so teamster would be reasonable except it has a different meaning.
Odd this, why do people feel the need to open an address to a group of people by addressing them by what gender they think they are? I do a lot of workshops etc to groups of individuals ranging from the young to the quite senior and crusty, and I never feel the need to tell them what gender or old fashioned elitist term I think they are! So I never start with "Ladies and Gentleman" nor do I address them as "guys" or "boys and girls."
A simple "Good morning/afternoon/evening" as appropriate, then I introduce myself and welcome them to the workshop/event/speech etc. Then you are away with the event and it is not a problem.
Simple. No one offended.
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A simple "Good morning/afternoon/evening" as appropriate, then I introduce myself and welcome them to the workshop/event/speech etc. Then you are away with the event and it is not a problem.
Simple. No one offended.
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A simple "Good morning/afternoon/evening" as appropriate, then I introduce myself and welcome them to the workshop/event/speech etc. Then you are away with the event and it is not a problem.
Simple. No one offended.
Simple. No one offended.
How *dare* you so casually assume that this morning is a "good" one for everyone here? You have erased my personal experience of this being far from a "good" morning and now I am so distraught that I cannot listen to anything else you have to say. I will be complaining to your employer. "Good" day to you!
It's ironic that CAS should be pulled up for his language when the senior leadership under his watch has been falling over itself to advance diversity. Maybe it will help them realise that some of its advocates cannot easily be satisfied...
The Regt was ahead of it's time then: "Listen in!" is suitably gender-fluid.
...as were the movers
...as were the movers
On pax PA, I just used to start with "Hello everyone...."
But an Andover captain once told me of the time he was flying some soldiers from somewhere to somewhere else and decided to address them over the PA. Being a bit of a joker he told the crew "Right, I'll wake those slovenly buggers up now and get them to shut up and listen..." and launched into his PA spiel.
Which would have been fine, except that he switched to PA whilst joking to the crew, so the soldiers heard everything. According to the ALM, the effect was rather startling!
PA switch pigs on the VC10 weren't unknown. OC10 Sqn once amused everyone else on the Brize Tower frequency when giving a lengthy PA spiel to the pax, but on UHF. He told us "As I released the switch I heard an ominous 'click' and thought 'Oh $hit, that'll cost me". It didn't take long before a very polite, gentlemanly comment from the captain of another 10 told him what a very nice pax brief he'd given, but what a shame that they wouldn't have heard it!
But an Andover captain once told me of the time he was flying some soldiers from somewhere to somewhere else and decided to address them over the PA. Being a bit of a joker he told the crew "Right, I'll wake those slovenly buggers up now and get them to shut up and listen..." and launched into his PA spiel.
Which would have been fine, except that he switched to PA whilst joking to the crew, so the soldiers heard everything. According to the ALM, the effect was rather startling!
PA switch pigs on the VC10 weren't unknown. OC10 Sqn once amused everyone else on the Brize Tower frequency when giving a lengthy PA spiel to the pax, but on UHF. He told us "As I released the switch I heard an ominous 'click' and thought 'Oh $hit, that'll cost me". It didn't take long before a very polite, gentlemanly comment from the captain of another 10 told him what a very nice pax brief he'd given, but what a shame that they wouldn't have heard it!
Odd this, why do people feel the need to open an address to a group of people by addressing them by what gender they think they are? I do a lot of workshops etc to groups of individuals ranging from the young to the quite senior and crusty, and I never feel the need to tell them what gender or old fashioned elitist term I think they are! So I never start with "Ladies and Gentleman" nor do I address them as "guys" or "boys and girls."
A simple "Good morning/afternoon/evening" as appropriate, then I introduce myself and welcome them to the workshop/event/speech etc. Then you are away with the event and it is not a problem.
Simple. No one offended.
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A simple "Good morning/afternoon/evening" as appropriate, then I introduce myself and welcome them to the workshop/event/speech etc. Then you are away with the event and it is not a problem.
Simple. No one offended.
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You will get into trouble proposing nonsense like that! Don't you realize common sense is now infra dig and standard politeness that you display will spark someones offense CAG that you have not singled them out for special attention? Like your advice though...
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How *dare* you so casually assume that this morning is a "good" one for everyone here? You have erased my personal experience of this being far from a "good" morning and now I am so distraught that I cannot listen to anything else you have to say. I will be complaining to your employer. "Good" day to you!
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