Soldiers, Sailors and ...?
"My question is are they actually looking at this? With shrinking budgets, And the country with Covid in debt up to the eyeballs. If there is a serious attempt to rename our service personnel you would be a fool to imagine it does not come without a cost. The simple and unfashionable reasoning behind changing Junior Tech to SAC Tech required new rank tabs producing, all the rank posters redoing, all paperwork relating to ranks replacing and the list goes on, Pensions, pay etc, one would like to know how much that exercise cost and for what benefit? The current system has been in place for decades, why change it now?"
Nutloose,
I would suggest that the only person 'looking' at this is the OP with an obvious agenda.
Any reference these days to members of the armed forces usually uses that very title, members of the armed forces, not a silly old fashioned phrase like soldiers, sailors and airmen.
That phrase encompasses the uniformed military, Civil Servants, Auxiliaries, Reservists, Full Time Reservists, Civilian employees and contractors, who actually make up the modern armed forces in 2020.
Nutloose,
I would suggest that the only person 'looking' at this is the OP with an obvious agenda.
Any reference these days to members of the armed forces usually uses that very title, members of the armed forces, not a silly old fashioned phrase like soldiers, sailors and airmen.
That phrase encompasses the uniformed military, Civil Servants, Auxiliaries, Reservists, Full Time Reservists, Civilian employees and contractors, who actually make up the modern armed forces in 2020.
Anorak on.... 
But, of course, prior to May 1912 the Navy had it's own fledgling aviation (started circa 1909) which was then misappropriated by the Pongoes to join their own growing presence in the air to form the RFC in 1912. Due to the, I suspect, "un-officer like qualities" of the Navy element, the Navy was turfed out of the RFC in 1914 and the RNAS was formally set up before another attempt was made in 1918 to form the RAF from both the RFC and RNAS.
The story goes on (and on and on and on and.......) with the RNAS (those who liked living in ships) escaping again in 1924 (finally confirmed in 1936) and the AAC (those who liked living in tents) returning to canvas in 1942 - including the ACC standing down for a while 1949 - 1957 (presumably due to the excessive number of Polo matches being played during those years!). This left those who liked living in 5* hotels to front up the RAF. Interestingly, the arguments for the 3 aviation Services existing as 3 discrete entities rumbles on...........
Anyway, anorak off!!!!
As I say, "nowt changes"! Cheers, H 'n' H
But, of course, prior to May 1912 the Navy had it's own fledgling aviation (started circa 1909) which was then misappropriated by the Pongoes to join their own growing presence in the air to form the RFC in 1912. Due to the, I suspect, "un-officer like qualities" of the Navy element, the Navy was turfed out of the RFC in 1914 and the RNAS was formally set up before another attempt was made in 1918 to form the RAF from both the RFC and RNAS.
The story goes on (and on and on and on and.......) with the RNAS (those who liked living in ships) escaping again in 1924 (finally confirmed in 1936) and the AAC (those who liked living in tents) returning to canvas in 1942 - including the ACC standing down for a while 1949 - 1957 (presumably due to the excessive number of Polo matches being played during those years!). This left those who liked living in 5* hotels to front up the RAF. Interestingly, the arguments for the 3 aviation Services existing as 3 discrete entities rumbles on...........
Anyway, anorak off!!!!
As I say, "nowt changes"! Cheers, H 'n' H
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 32,742
Received 2,727 Likes
on
1,160 Posts
Anorak on....
But, of course, prior to May 1912 the Navy had it's own fledgling aviation (started circa 1909) which was then misappropriated by the Pongoes to join their own growing presence in the air to form the RFC in 1912. Due to the, I suspect, "un-officer like qualities" of the Navy element, the Navy was turfed out of the RFC in 1914 and the RNAS was formally set up before another attempt was made in 1918 to form the RAF from both the RFC and RNAS.
The story goes on (and on and on and on and.......) with the RNAS (those who liked living in ships) escaping again in 1924 (finally confirmed in 1936) and the AAC (those who liked living in tents) returning to canvas in 1942 - including the ACC standing down for a while 1949 - 1957 (presumably due to the excessive number of Polo matches being played during those years!). This left those who liked living in 5* hotels to front up the RAF. Interestingly, the arguments for the 3 aviation Services existing as 3 discrete entities rumbles on...........
Anyway, anorak off!!!! As I say, "nowt changes"! Cheers, H 'n' H
But, of course, prior to May 1912 the Navy had it's own fledgling aviation (started circa 1909) which was then misappropriated by the Pongoes to join their own growing presence in the air to form the RFC in 1912. Due to the, I suspect, "un-officer like qualities" of the Navy element, the Navy was turfed out of the RFC in 1914 and the RNAS was formally set up before another attempt was made in 1918 to form the RAF from both the RFC and RNAS.
The story goes on (and on and on and on and.......) with the RNAS (those who liked living in ships) escaping again in 1924 (finally confirmed in 1936) and the AAC (those who liked living in tents) returning to canvas in 1942 - including the ACC standing down for a while 1949 - 1957 (presumably due to the excessive number of Polo matches being played during those years!). This left those who liked living in 5* hotels to front up the RAF. Interestingly, the arguments for the 3 aviation Services existing as 3 discrete entities rumbles on...........
Anyway, anorak off!!!!
As I say, "nowt changes"! Cheers, H 'n' HEcce Homo! Loquitur...
Polo shirts with walking type trousers.
Aviator means someone who flies, as a pilot.
Arguable, perhaps, especially since the first military personnel to be airborne in battle were the balloon observer/signallers.
Arguable, perhaps, especially since the first military personnel to be airborne in battle were the balloon observer/signallers.
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Berkshire, UK
Posts: 188
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ref the slide into historic facts, I have a WAFU friend, yes some can achieve that status, who goes on about the "Senior" Service. He goes quiet when I point out to him that the Fleet Air Arm ceased to be the Fleet Air Arm of The Royal Air Force as late as 1937.
Jack
If that were true, however bizarre it would almost certainly appear to most real aviators, it would bring about a whole new dimension for the old adage, "aviate, navigate, communicate" - "prevaricate" perhaps, or some other such word to cover those whom I believe Beagle usually refers to as "blunties".
Presumably you go even quieter when your "WAFU friend" patiently points out what the expression the Senior Service really means!
Jack
Presumably you go even quieter when your "WAFU friend" patiently points out what the expression the Senior Service really means!
Jack
CG
Since when did we risk life and limb wearing no2s? Probably the last time was when the shiny fleet wore them on the flight deck.
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 32,742
Received 2,727 Likes
on
1,160 Posts
Ma’am could become Ma’amite...... you either love it or loathe it depending on your preferences
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 32,742
Received 2,727 Likes
on
1,160 Posts
Yes a little WRAF on the VC10 managed to weld her knickers to her butt as the friction of the slide during a test melted the nylon they were made out off. Poor lass was in agony and the smell of burning nylon I’ll never forget.
