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Soldiers, Sailors and ...?

Old 11th Aug 2020, 13:42
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In Star Trek they call everybody Sir...
Even the Klingons, pr00ne?
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Old 29th Sep 2020, 17:59
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I understand from a recent D&I brief that CAS was recently counselled with regards to the use of the term 'Ladies and Gentlemen' when addressing an audience due to the possible offence caused to individuals who do not identify as either. This appears to be in line with a number of other organisations (London Underground, JAL, Air Canada, Easy Jet etc) who have removed the phrase from their opening announcements - does anyone know what the official MOD guidance is on the use of the term? As previously mentioned in this post it does look like the days of Sir and Ma'am (as in Jam) are indeed numbered as they automatically assign a gender to the recipient - there must be a paper somewhere doing the rounds regarding this. It also makes for an interesting conundrum for the fitness test which also assigns you a gender....genuinely interested (and the D&I girl individual didn't seem to know).

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Old 29th Sep 2020, 18:42
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Individual? I thought they were team workers so teamster would be reasonable except it has a different meaning.
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Old 29th Sep 2020, 19:10
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Start the briefing with " Hey, you lot!" .
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Old 29th Sep 2020, 19:12
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Interesting to see the MOD expanding it's "core" D&I team in MB will extra servicemen (or women). Good job there are no manning gaps.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 07:18
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How about, Air Person and air People as the Plural?


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Old 30th Sep 2020, 08:35
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 09:24
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As long as this gets rid of the intellectually deceitful and pejorative term 'boys and girls' so beloved of middle ranking management.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 11:50
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Odd this, why do people feel the need to open an address to a group of people by addressing them by what gender they think they are? I do a lot of workshops etc to groups of individuals ranging from the young to the quite senior and crusty, and I never feel the need to tell them what gender or old fashioned elitist term I think they are! So I never start with "Ladies and Gentleman" nor do I address them as "guys" or "boys and girls."

A simple "Good morning/afternoon/evening" as appropriate, then I introduce myself and welcome them to the workshop/event/speech etc. Then you are away with the event and it is not a problem.

Simple. No one offended.

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Old 30th Sep 2020, 13:01
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"Evenin' all" always worked for George Dixon.......
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 15:09
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A simple "Good morning/afternoon/evening" as appropriate, then I introduce myself and welcome them to the workshop/event/speech etc. Then you are away with the event and it is not a problem.

Simple. No one offended.
Give it another 20 years of “evolution” and someone probably will be.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 16:27
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Give it another 20 years of “evolution” and someone probably will be.
Just imagining pr00ne being met with something like this:

How *dare* you so casually assume that this morning is a "good" one for everyone here? You have erased my personal experience of this being far from a "good" morning and now I am so distraught that I cannot listen to anything else you have to say. I will be complaining to your employer. "Good" day to you!

It's ironic that CAS should be pulled up for his language when the senior leadership under his watch has been falling over itself to advance diversity. Maybe it will help them realise that some of its advocates cannot easily be satisfied...
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 16:34
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The Regt was ahead of it's time then: "Listen in!" is suitably gender-fluid.

...as were the movers
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 22:47
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On pax PA, I just used to start with "Hello everyone...."

But an Andover captain once told me of the time he was flying some soldiers from somewhere to somewhere else and decided to address them over the PA. Being a bit of a joker he told the crew "Right, I'll wake those slovenly buggers up now and get them to shut up and listen..." and launched into his PA spiel.

Which would have been fine, except that he switched to PA whilst joking to the crew, so the soldiers heard everything. According to the ALM, the effect was rather startling!

PA switch pigs on the VC10 weren't unknown. OC10 Sqn once amused everyone else on the Brize Tower frequency when giving a lengthy PA spiel to the pax, but on UHF. He told us "As I released the switch I heard an ominous 'click' and thought 'Oh $hit, that'll cost me". It didn't take long before a very polite, gentlemanly comment from the captain of another 10 told him what a very nice pax brief he'd given, but what a shame that they wouldn't have heard it!
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 23:32
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Presumably the old "hi, folks' is a little too relaxed for TPTB. I'll consequently cast my vote the 'Hey, you lot' option.
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Old 1st Oct 2020, 00:22
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Originally Posted by pr00ne View Post
Odd this, why do people feel the need to open an address to a group of people by addressing them by what gender they think they are? I do a lot of workshops etc to groups of individuals ranging from the young to the quite senior and crusty, and I never feel the need to tell them what gender or old fashioned elitist term I think they are! So I never start with "Ladies and Gentleman" nor do I address them as "guys" or "boys and girls."

A simple "Good morning/afternoon/evening" as appropriate, then I introduce myself and welcome them to the workshop/event/speech etc. Then you are away with the event and it is not a problem.

Simple. No one offended.

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Pr00ne

You will get into trouble proposing nonsense like that! Don't you realize common sense is now infra dig and standard politeness that you display will spark someones offense CAG that you have not singled them out for special attention? Like your advice though...
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Old 1st Oct 2020, 08:42
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How *dare* you so casually assume that this morning is a "good" one for everyone here? You have erased my personal experience of this being far from a "good" morning and now I am so distraught that I cannot listen to anything else you have to say. I will be complaining to your employer. "Good" day to you!
A case in UK recently of a hairdressing salon posting on the Job Centre website for a "happy" individual, had it refused, as discriminatory against "unhappy" people. It was accepted, and blamed on an over enthusiastic worker, but not before it hit the press.
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Old 19th Oct 2020, 15:20
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/129613...eutral-titles/

Wingmen are now wingpers apparently?
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Old 19th Oct 2020, 17:13
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So how long before the Human Factors course has to be renamed the Hupers Factors course......
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