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No restrictions on flying a Tucano over the sea when I was at Linton, 95-99. Valkenburg, Prague, Budapest and Krakow were regular rangers. Even took a pair to Malta for the air show.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Move Reds and Texans to Linton. Easy to organise 10(?) Texans flying around the Reds slots. Instant access to loads of free airspace, instant access to the low flying system in any direction, far too sensible to be considered.
Move Reds and Texans to Linton. Easy to organise 10(?) Texans flying around the Reds slots. Instant access to loads of free airspace, instant access to the low flying system in any direction, far too sensible to be considered.
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Bob V, I was involved with MFTS in 2000/1, no decisions taken in those days but MoD certainly in the loop. To put things into context, the Hawk was slated to go MFTS in 2005, Tucano, at Linton, in 2007.
To confirm what 2 TWU said Bob, MoD in the shape of me, plus others, was most certainly involved In the early days. At one stage, we even took prospective bidders around Linton, most were trying to choose the best office.
2 TWU and Audax
I’m not saying that MOD didn’t get involved in the early days. The fact is that when the time came the contractor decided which bases they wanted to use and Linton wasn’t one of them.
No matter how much some people might want it, Linton isn’t coming back either.
Time will tell if that was a good decision.
BV
No matter how much some people might want it, Linton isn’t coming back either.
Time will tell if that was a good decision.
BV
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
If it’s not one thing it’s another....... (read the comments below the article if you have access - they’re all complimentary of the jets and the writers evocative memories)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...ales-388z7pxsx
Buzz off! RAF low-flying pilots hit by flak in north Wales
Fordecades north Wales has been a training ground for RAF pilots practising low flying. In the valleys and on the peaks of Snowdonia enthusiasts flock to see the spectacle of pilots streaking by at 500mph, and locals and farmers complain in vain about the noise.
In nearby Anglesey and North Gwynedd, however, residents say that a new fleet of “buzzing” RAF planes is “adversely affecting the mental health” of those living below their flight paths. Locals affected by the Beechcraft Texan aircraft complain of “a distinctive loud, buzzing noise” when pilots in training practise fly close to the ground. Hundreds have signed an online petition and the local MP, Liz Saville Roberts, is taking up their cause.
“It’s like living next door to Biggles”, wrote one, referring to the fictional pilot and adventurer.
One woman complaining about the “ridiculous amount of noise pollution”, added: “I am also late in my pregnancy and with the lockdown it’s been tough and I don’t wish our baby to be woken by those loud sounds early mornings onwards. Please make it stop!” A third said: “It does my head in buzzing around everywhere like a bloody giant wasp.”
The dispute echoes the long-term complaints of residents in Snowdonia living close to the Mach Loop. Made up of valleys between Dolgellau and Machynlleth, it is well known for jet pilots training at low altitude.......
Ms Saville Roberts, Plaid Cymru MP for Dwyfor Meirionnydd, said: “The issue is that they make a high-pitched and intrusive buzzing noise.”
She has often raised issues relating to low flying in the Mach Loop. In recent days North Wales police have issued warnings about dangerous parking as plane spotters go in search of photos. She added: “These are narrow, rocky, mountainous valleys and it does appear that sometimes these aircraft are not aware there are people in these valleys.”
Alan Jones Evans, a local councillor, said: “Since I was a schoolboy there has always been concern about low-flying issues. We’ve been complaining for 40 years and nothing seems to be done about it. They come very quickly and give you a hell of a fright. It’s disrespectful when there is a funeral and you get these screaming aeroplanes. The schoolchildren get frightened.”
The plane spotters say there has been a considerable decline in sightings over the past year and a half. One said that publicising the area with videos of low-flying jets on social media had brought negative attention, portraying the area as dangerous. “It used to be a small group of photographers – now people think it’s an air show. It’s not an air show, it’s a training ground. Photography is very deceiving, and people use it to make a news article.
“I think the Mach Loop is pretty much finished because the RAF stopped a lot of flying there,” he said.
A spokesman for the RAF said: “The RAF is striving to ensure that disturbance is kept to an absolute minimum and noise pollution distributed as evenly as possible. However, we must continue to conduct essential flying training.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...ales-388z7pxsx
Buzz off! RAF low-flying pilots hit by flak in north Wales
Fordecades north Wales has been a training ground for RAF pilots practising low flying. In the valleys and on the peaks of Snowdonia enthusiasts flock to see the spectacle of pilots streaking by at 500mph, and locals and farmers complain in vain about the noise.
In nearby Anglesey and North Gwynedd, however, residents say that a new fleet of “buzzing” RAF planes is “adversely affecting the mental health” of those living below their flight paths. Locals affected by the Beechcraft Texan aircraft complain of “a distinctive loud, buzzing noise” when pilots in training practise fly close to the ground. Hundreds have signed an online petition and the local MP, Liz Saville Roberts, is taking up their cause.
“It’s like living next door to Biggles”, wrote one, referring to the fictional pilot and adventurer.
One woman complaining about the “ridiculous amount of noise pollution”, added: “I am also late in my pregnancy and with the lockdown it’s been tough and I don’t wish our baby to be woken by those loud sounds early mornings onwards. Please make it stop!” A third said: “It does my head in buzzing around everywhere like a bloody giant wasp.”
The dispute echoes the long-term complaints of residents in Snowdonia living close to the Mach Loop. Made up of valleys between Dolgellau and Machynlleth, it is well known for jet pilots training at low altitude.......
Ms Saville Roberts, Plaid Cymru MP for Dwyfor Meirionnydd, said: “The issue is that they make a high-pitched and intrusive buzzing noise.”
She has often raised issues relating to low flying in the Mach Loop. In recent days North Wales police have issued warnings about dangerous parking as plane spotters go in search of photos. She added: “These are narrow, rocky, mountainous valleys and it does appear that sometimes these aircraft are not aware there are people in these valleys.”
Alan Jones Evans, a local councillor, said: “Since I was a schoolboy there has always been concern about low-flying issues. We’ve been complaining for 40 years and nothing seems to be done about it. They come very quickly and give you a hell of a fright. It’s disrespectful when there is a funeral and you get these screaming aeroplanes. The schoolchildren get frightened.”
The plane spotters say there has been a considerable decline in sightings over the past year and a half. One said that publicising the area with videos of low-flying jets on social media had brought negative attention, portraying the area as dangerous. “It used to be a small group of photographers – now people think it’s an air show. It’s not an air show, it’s a training ground. Photography is very deceiving, and people use it to make a news article.
“I think the Mach Loop is pretty much finished because the RAF stopped a lot of flying there,” he said.
A spokesman for the RAF said: “The RAF is striving to ensure that disturbance is kept to an absolute minimum and noise pollution distributed as evenly as possible. However, we must continue to conduct essential flying training.”
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Takes you back to Kipling's day.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Chuck him out, the brute! "
But it's " Saviour of 'is country " when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An 'Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!
But it's " Saviour of 'is country " when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An 'Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!
A third said: “It does my head in buzzing around everywhere like a bloody giant wasp.”
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If the MOD were to announce the closure of Valley and move all the assets to another location I expect the locals would soon change their tune and start bleating about the adverse effect on the local economy...
A Sea Water Activated Release System was spec’d for all F-35 seats (US16E) if I recall correctly. perhaps that’s why it was also required on T6? As was a liferaft with a single skin canopy. (Although I believe UK MoD has (or is) changed it for something more useful in the North Atlantic in winter.) The F-35 survival kit was developed for a rapid re-role depending in which theatre of Ops it was to be used. Changing a liferaft type or scale of survival equipment was to be simple - by design - and it was, IMHO. However......
To quote a very senior member of MBA management, who commented to me a few years back:
“The customer will not always know what he needs, but he will always know what he wants...and he is always the customer.”
Look to the customer...
To quote a very senior member of MBA management, who commented to me a few years back:
“The customer will not always know what he needs, but he will always know what he wants...and he is always the customer.”
Look to the customer...
