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Old 15th Aug 2020, 15:21
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Originally Posted by Axel-Flo
So a very nice reply from them and within 4 weeks I had a large bundle of paperwork from Cranwell.
Axel, can I ask how you worded your request? (They ask for specifics) I did one a few years back and it was hugely medical, with a few other bits on it- no annual reports to speak of. Maybe I was not clear enough.

Cheers PN and Ancient. Am I right to think series one was 'airman, general' the other, 'aircrew performance/performance in role'?

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It was an online form I completed and just asked for copies of anything held. I put in a brief explanation of what I was after and why, predominantly to do with reports and my OASC results etc. I was subsequently e-mailed an acknowledgement of receipt and then another asking if I’d like them to include certain documents that they suggested. Latterly I also received a telecon from them asking if a list of other items were to be included. All in all they were very forthcoming and helpful. That said I don’t seem to have much from the OASC interviews or CIO so will ask again. The Lady at Cranwell said that by all means if I felt something was missing then to get in touch with them via, mail, e-mail or phone. As I say very helpful.
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 19:06
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Axel, thanks for that...

PN and anyone else who filled them in...

What were the 3 assessement areas A, B and C (the 3 columns with the 1-9 scores in) related to? I've been looking at what is just a dozen pages of computer script- it has the scores, but I don't know what they were for. Cheers.

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charliegolf: I assume you were airman aircrew and so you are referring to the F6442? If so, the numbers that you refer to are (in order) Trade Proficiency, Supervisory Ability and Personal Qualities. There were 3 items under the first, 3 under the second and 7 or 8 (IIRC) under the third, and so these three numbers were each a sort of average of the detailed items. (I say "were" as I left ages ago and things could have changed, for all I know.)
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Old 16th Aug 2020, 13:03
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I decided to eschew the opportunity to get all my reports etc. I considered that there was nothing I could do now and did I really want to work myself into heart attack caused by the indignation I might feel. Anyway, I joined as a' Supplementary List' officer which meant I could be asked to leave at 38 if I didn't get promoted to sqn ldr. I was offered a chance to go to Cranwell when I finished OCTU but declined as I had a commission in the bag and didn't want to risk it with 3 years more training. I was right 'cause the first years in real service saw me on three overseas tours. I was never going to get to the top of the greasy pole and I really can't complain and whilst it took me a bit longer than I would have liked to get to my 'ceiling', my pension isn't too bad!

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Old 16th Aug 2020, 14:11
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Originally Posted by possel
charliegolf: I assume you were airman aircrew and so you are referring to the F6442? If so, the numbers that you refer to are (in order) Trade Proficiency, Supervisory Ability and Personal Qualities. There were 3 items under the first, 3 under the second and 7 or 8 (IIRC) under the third, and so these three numbers were each a sort of average of the detailed items. (I say "were" as I left ages ago and things could have changed, for all I know.)
Cheers Possel, makes perfect sense.

I ask because, in a service of only 8 years, my scores went up as one might expect in line with experience and gumption, to a point I can feel reasonably proud of. Except for one annual set of numbersl. I know the who, but not the why (though I was, ironically. always willing to ask, "Why?"). I only have the numbers, not what he wrote, but my last boss before exit actually said, "He really didn't like you, did he?".

Like the Guinness, I'm not bitter, life has been too good for that to leave me stewing.

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Axel, 'twas long ago but my first sqn cdr had us all read our 5000 series. All I remember was I was graded A1 Nav, A2 pilot, and some much higher numbers for Engineer, something like B5. I don't know if there was a score for Electronics.

What I remember of one question was a large sheet of cogs worns and wheels - If A is turned clockwise, what is the direction of rotation of Z. I had no clue on mechanics and clearly funked that bit.
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Old 16th Aug 2020, 21:12
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Do they do overseas addresses ? I live in Canada.
Anyone had data sent abroad or direct by email ?
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Old 16th Aug 2020, 22:11
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Scores on the doors....

Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator
Axel, 'twas long ago but my first sqn cdr had us all read our 5000 series. All I remember was I was graded A1 Nav, A2 pilot, and some much higher numbers for Engineer, something like B5. I don't know if there was a score for Electronics.

What I remember of one question was a large sheet of cogs worns and wheels - If A is turned clockwise, what is the direction of rotation of Z. I had no clue on mechanics and clearly funked that bit.
What I was looking for was if anyone had been on the boards or interview teams. The box with scores aren’t particularly obvious they are laid out as below, I did try to upload a photo but it gets to 50% then says it can’t do it.
APTITUDE SCORES.
​​MAT 62. P. N. CONT. NCO AIR Final BG

Anywas really what these were, what they were scored out of and how relevant these were to final selection. I guess the numbers must have been ok since they let me have a go but was just wondering since I had them.y

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Old 17th Aug 2020, 05:45
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Be prepared for some surprises as you won't get only your own records.
Once, I failed to organise my usual holding post (gliding at Bicester) and horror of horrors, was sent to Barnwood to reorganise all the GD(P) files. Of course, the first one I did was my own and I was very surprised to see a report regarding a serious breach of flying discipline during flying training. It was actually perpetrated by one of my course mates who I shared similar visual characteristics. Nevertheless, it was in my file with my name on it! Needless to say it was removed and destroyed, but it got me wondering how it had affected my career up to that point.

Many of the files were in a shambles. We discovered an active file for a pilot who had been killed in a flying accident some years before. His widow was still receiving his full pay!

I don't feel inclined to ask for my records.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 17:54
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No replies to my query about overseas so I will just have to send an email to see if it can be done.
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Years ago in the Mid 70's some of us were asked to check our Service record print outs. I discovered that I was apparently commissioned ex airman aircrew and a contemporary discovered he was ex Education Branch, Interesting as we both had been UAS grads on Graduate Entry (G.E.) courses at the Towers a few years previously . IIRC there was a bit of an eruption at this point and our proper documentation then surfaced ,the explanation being that what we had been shown was "unofficial" and we must disregard it and forget it..
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