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Old 18th Jun 2020, 10:45
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Just a quicky

Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Then the old VC10 scheme would be the best option, flat the top half down and spray it white, add a cheat line, the wings and all things down would remain as per before.
This aircraft has an operational purpose as a Tanker - Speaking as a total layman, the grey colour scheme may have camouflage benefits in the traditional sense and as a protection in a Beyond Visual Range scenario at the limits of detectability. Literally blurring the edge in a manner of words. Radar ablative characteristics are a separate matter. Its painted grey for a set of reasons associated with its primary function(s). Painting it for decorous reasons is just plain stupid. I echo the opinions of an earlier contributor here.

[Edit:If its the grey A330 that passed over my garage at about 500 AGL its was definitely grey ! all over]

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Old 18th Jun 2020, 11:07
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Get a life you lot! What leader arrives in a matt grey aircraft on international visits. We have looked like the poor relation too long and the cost is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. Have you no pride in your country or nothing better to do than denigrate every decision made by the government - a bit of support would not go amiss right now.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 11:30
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Whatever the top coat looks like I take it the Voyager will still have its IR undercoat.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 11:57
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Notwithstanding vthe 'Why', I am a little shocked at the cost....Is someone adding a few GBPs to this and taking the p133 as it is 'outside of contract'? How much does an aircraft respray normally cost?
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 11:58
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hopefully they will fit a zip line so Boris can depart the aircraft with the dignity we would expect of him.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 12:09
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They might be adding black and white recognition bars to the wings and fuselage for the 31st Jan celebrations.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 14:08
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Originally Posted by racingrigger View Post
Get a life you lot! What leader arrives in a matt grey aircraft on international visits. We have looked like the poor relation too long and the cost is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. Have you no pride in your country or nothing better to do than denigrate every decision made by the government - a bit of support would not go amiss right now.
Actually the Voyager fleet is painted with a gloss finish. And the cost may be peanuts but it seems to be rather a lot of peanuts compared to how much a respray ought to cost.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 14:15
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ISTR the costing included “design”. And of course anything fancy is going to need stick-on vinyl or spray templates. A bit more complex/expensive that just “mask the windows and spray the rest in grey”.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 14:17
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Originally Posted by Wannabe Flyer View Post
Sadly also a photo shop as called out on Twitter a few days later.
Can't find any evidence to support that.

So did the AAL dispatcher who's credited with the photo fake it himself, or has his identity been stolen by a Photoshopper ?

And are the hundreds of other photos of his on the Net fakes too ?
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 15:16
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Originally Posted by TEEEJ View Post
Voyager looks good photo shopped in Air Support Command livery.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/evansa...y/11608974363/
A definite photoshop. The fin flash colours are the wrong way round, unless Boris intends to share it with the French Premier.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 16:43
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Originally Posted by Diesel_10 View Post
My man on the inside reckons its the AirTanker leased Voyager to Thomas Cook - now defunct. So it wouldn't have been in grey if it were needed. Calm down remoaners.
Does your man on the inside also think they are stripping out the current VIP fit voyager that is painted grey (and was converted a few years ago at a cost of almost £10m) to put it all inside the ex TC branded jet?

Or do you think your man on the inside knows not what he is talking about?
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 16:47
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Originally Posted by cngaero View Post
A definite photoshop. The fin flash colours are the wrong way round, unless Boris intends to share it with the French Premier.
I don't think anyone is claiming otherwise, given that it has only just been announced that it's going to be repainted.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 18:12
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Wouldn't surprise me if it looked similar to this


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Old 18th Jun 2020, 19:50
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Personally, I always think that we’re very hair shirt in this country about transport for our political elites. There was a period (after the demise of the VC10s as VIP transports in 2001 perhaps?) where our leaders were ferried around in any old aircraft chartered from any old airline. Gordon Brown went to the US on a Titan B757 and was greeted with full military honours. I’m hoping that the wonderful Gene Willson was at the controls, none better to ferry our PM around, but it was an odd to see the British going for a bit of chartered affordable luxury (VIP config with leather seats!) in the home of the superpower. And I would definitely have replaced HMY Britannia - the whole world loves and respects our queen, so why not give her the tools to do the job of representing us abroad that she does so well. I’m also glad we have our VIP Voyager.

But, how can I say this.... Based on our CV19 experience, there seems to be a lot of evidence that Johnson isn’t much good at the basics of his job of governing the country. Maybe he’ll get better, he’s new after all. But the new Voyager paint job has been so widely reported that it’s obviously a political stunt. That’s what politicians do. However, I’m sure people will just be asking why a government that has made so many basic administrative errors in recent months is wasting its time on trivia like this.

My prediction: when Johnson finally gaffes his way to his inevitable and fast approaching demise, his successor will blanch at the thought of pictures of him/her emerging from Boris’ red white and blue airborne folly de grandeur. The A330 will emerge from a “routine” trip to the painters in a lovely, forgettable, ignorable matt grey.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 20:33
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Doesn't look so bad if this is anywhere near the truth:

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Old 18th Jun 2020, 21:34
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That’s breathtakingly tacky. Is the “United Kingdom” really gold? Maybe it’s to match the taps in Bozza’s new long haul bathroom suite.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 23:16
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Back ends good but everything fwd of the wing not so good, nor the little RAF logos and serial location, In fact downright tacky comes to mind... keep it simply always gives it a sense of style, business like and purpose.

it makes you think the arse end has followed Frances tasteful scheme and after that they threw it open to committee and they all chucked their ideas on it.... Gold United Kingdom, what were they thinking? As if the arse end doesn’t tell you that, t looks like a flying knocking shop.

Maggie would have needed a bigger hanky to cover up that mess.

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Old 19th Jun 2020, 00:31
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Younger son is a paint inspector and works in the world of superyachts. He has just flown to Hamburg for a project meeting in connection with the repaint of a 130-odd metre yacht. His printer went u/s before he flew out so he emailed me a couple of docs to print, which amounted to over 50 A4 pages of specifications for the job. The work is highly labour intensive, and at that level of expertise wages are high and labour costs are considerable. When I asked him how much the job was going to cost he said he wasn't sure, but not less than one million euros. Puts the £900k for the Voyager into perspective. Also that £900k is not lost to the economy. A lot of it goes to provide well paid work to skilled employees, boosting the local economy (presumably around Cambridge), and of that a fair amount is going to come straight back in the form of income tax, VAT on the paint etc.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 05:42
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Can't find any evidence to support that.

So did the AAL dispatcher who's credited with the photo fake it himself, or has his identity been stolen by a Photoshopper ?

And are the hundreds of other photos of his on the Net fakes too ?
The 2 Aircraft VT ALW & VT ALV have been parked at Forthworth for interior & other fit outs for the past 6 months. They last flew there in the AI livery from Chicago after scheduled passenger flights. ALW took to the air about a week ago probably for a test flight for the first time. This photoshopped picture has been doing the rounds for at least a month. They are also going to be operated by the Indian Air Force so I doubt the Reg would be the same.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 06:00
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Don`t think it needs the `swoopy` blue line,should be more like the -146,unless that`s a nod to the Senior Service.....the `UK`could be done in `rainbow` colours,outlined in black......

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