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Old 27th Jun 2020, 14:24
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Does your man on the inside also think they are stripping out the current VIP fit voyager that is painted grey (and was converted a few years ago at a cost of almost £10m) to put it all inside the ex TC branded jet?

Or do you think your man on the inside knows not what he is talking about?
Stripped out because it was having a C check.
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Old 27th Jun 2020, 16:38
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I've got some leftist neighbours who - ably supported by the BBC - keep going on about the supposed cost of this project; due to social distancing and warm weather this 'going on' is, of course, being broadcast at an unusually increased volume, just to ensure that other neighbours get the benefit of their 'insight' and 'superior intellect'. Therefore, can someone here who is really 'in the the know' furnish the definitive FACTS wrt:

a. Was the airframe in for a scheduled maintaintence check ('C', 'D' or otherwise - would be nice to know!), that would have included a re-paint?

b. That the maintenance check would have been included in the Airtanker contract? ie, the cost of the check did not increase the cost to the taxpayer, other than, perhaps, the fee for the design.

c. Confirmation that the Airtanker PFI contract was concluded under Gordon Brown's tenure as Treasurer and/or PM?

Purely in the interests of balance and accuracy of course!


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Old 27th Jun 2020, 20:12
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On balance it looks ok to me. (Not sure about the gold lettering though) 🇬🇧🇬🇧


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Old 27th Jun 2020, 20:54
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Doing AAR here the first day after getting back - obvious PR !

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Old 27th Jun 2020, 23:09
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Looks actually quite good...
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 07:14
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That'd be a great way to arrive at some World Conference - and would be a lot more impressive than Trump's 747!

It'll never happen though, I guess.....
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 15:57
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Originally Posted by Downwind.Maddl-Land View Post
I've got some leftist neighbours who - ably supported by the BBC - keep going on about the supposed cost of this project; due to social distancing and warm weather this 'going on' is, of course, being broadcast at an unusually increased volume, just to ensure that other neighbours get the benefit of their 'insight' and 'superior intellect'. Therefore, can someone here who is really 'in the the know' furnish the definitive FACTS wrt:

a. Was the airframe in for a scheduled maintaintence check ('C', 'D' or otherwise - would be nice to know!), that would have included a re-paint?

b. That the maintenance check would have been included in the Airtanker contract? ie, the cost of the check did not increase the cost to the taxpayer, other than, perhaps, the fee for the design.

c. Confirmation that the Airtanker PFI contract was concluded under Gordon Brown's tenure as Treasurer and/or PM?

Purely in the interests of balance and accuracy of course!
BoJo did not like the grey colour and decided to change it by spending a lot of money during the economic meltdown era. Not sure if this counts as 'leftist propoganda".
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 18:47
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Trump will never fly in the new AF1. Themís the rules.
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 19:06
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Trump will never fly in the new AF1. Themís the rules.
I thought the convention was that any aircraft of the USAF POTUS flew in was Air Force One, similarly any aircraft of the USMC was Marine One
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 19:26
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
I thought the convention was that any aircraft of the USAF POTUS flew in was Air Force One, similarly any aircraft of the USMC was Marine One
Indeed, and some of us may even remember GROVE and DEEPDENE for the Royal Train. 😇
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 19:34
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Originally Posted by Tay Cough View Post
Trump will never fly in the new AF1. Themís the rules.

he will if invited by the then President. I'm sure Mrs Obama will be very graceful about inviting Mr Trump onboard..............
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 19:35
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
I thought the convention was that any aircraft of the USAF POTUS flew in was Air Force One, similarly any aircraft of the USMC was Marine One
correct - but people tend to look at the BIG beast
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 19:56
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Well, I've gnawed on the design for a couple days -- without swallowing of course -- and at best I'm ambivalent; disappointed if I'm honest -- which is likely indicative of little considering I'm rarely asked over for parties anymore.

Perhaps it's my middle England protestant heritage, or perhaps it's apropos of nothing, but I find the scheme flippant, over the top and clichė.

Give me understated elegance with subtle hints of tradition any day and spare me the focus-grouped, hyperactive marketing codswallop. There is nothing in this design really, that separates it in any meaningful way from all the other red white and blue national billboards wasting fuel carrying self-inflating jackasses hither and yon. Oh, and it doubles as a gas station. Yawn.

My guess is it will be indiscernible from the irresistible trump farce un, except it'll be smaller yet too big.

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Old 28th Jun 2020, 21:00
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When the aircraft goes on trip with PM aboard there will also be numerous members of staff plus press so will be pretty full
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 23:46
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When the aircraft goes on trip with PM aboard there will also be numerous members of staff plus press so will be pretty full
Only those who get past Cummings. He's Ring Master of this particular circus after all.

Any truth to the rumour that a Brexit campaign connection of his was awarded the contract for the new design?
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Old 29th Jun 2020, 08:06
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Just a quick question... Where are the in flight refuelling fuel tanks..? Under the floor the whole length of the aircraft ..?
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Old 29th Jun 2020, 08:22
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There are no 'refuelling tanks'. The normal A330 fuel system is used.
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Old 29th Jun 2020, 09:12
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I'm pleased to see that the F35 Force AAR techniques have improved since they started at Beaufort NC. Still some "stabbing in the dark".

By comparison the Typhoon pilot shows how to do it!
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And a simple paint job tweak to make it ready for its primary intended purpose.

I guess a bean counter somewhere will be sweating about the lost revenue for passenger ops over the next 3 years due to Covid.

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Grrr

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BoJo did not like the grey colour and decided to change it by spending a lot of money during the economic meltdown era. Not sure if this counts as 'leftist propoganda".
I hold most politicians in equal contempt, whatever the hue of their 'Party'. However, I do support the concept of freedom of speech, truth and accountability (old, misbegotten, concepts, I know) and was simply enquiring as to the veracity of the 'leftist propogander' (your phrase, not mine) being espoused on various media outlets. If your statement is true, then all the opprobrium being heaped upon those responsible is entirely justified and has my full support. However, the indications on here - being a blog-site with some credentials with respect to matters aviation - seem to favour the counter view; I was simply trying to establish the facts of the matter with some authoritative evidence.
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