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Old 26th Jun 2020, 19:17
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Airbus wouldn’t let BA paint the upper surfaces of a A319 red when the aircraft was put in a retro BEA scheme last year.
Think this is a reference to the wings, not the fuselage
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Old 26th Jun 2020, 19:35
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
I don't think I have anything to learn from you about painting airliners, Tubby (including a handful for the RAF, as it happens, though I recall we didn't make a particularly good job of the first one ).
Bluster without fact again., why do we put up with this walt who seems to be an expert on everything? Still waiting for some facts or documents to back up your post . Being rude just exposes you as a charlatan.
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Old 26th Jun 2020, 19:58
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
Think this is a reference to the wings, not the fuselage
Yes, both of BEA's two final schemes featured those trademark red wings (upper and lower surfaces). Having spent many happy hours admiring them in the early part of my career (both from the cabin on ID90s and duty trips, and from the taildock on major checks), I was among those disappointed when BA couldn't replicate them on the retro A319, for both technical and safety reasons.

But regulations are regulations. Here's how BA broke the news in 2019 (sorry about the excruciating headline): BEAutiful British Airways liveried aircraft takes to the skies
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Old 26th Jun 2020, 22:37
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Originally Posted by ex-fast-jets View Post
It really matters not - I suggest that it would be impossible to create a paint-job that appealed to all. Or, even a majority.

We now know what it is - and we could all have tweaked it to suit our own tastes.

But that is what it is, so why not accept that it is better than a grey machine on the international stage.

Perhaps, even, support it as a way of portraying the UK around the world for those who merit its use for VIP travel - whilst also fulfilling its important role as a tanker.

It could always be painted again in different colours if it is really wrong - but at least it has provided a brief change from the dreary CoVid-19 daily news coverage.

I say - great - different - shows it is a UK machine - let's enjoy it and criticise - if we have to - other things/people, and stop criticising ourselves.
It looks far, far worse than a purposeful, no nonsense grey aircraft.

It looks deeply naff.
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Old 26th Jun 2020, 22:42
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Borisís Vespa has been up tanking, images below

https://theaviationist.com/2020/06/2...-and-typhoons/
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Old 27th Jun 2020, 07:33
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So is it “distress” or is it “lese Majeste”

Or is it both?
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Old 27th Jun 2020, 08:14
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Painted Voyager

Iíve only just got round to looking at pictures of it.

What exactly has all the fuss been about? Of course you canít please everyone. I like it (I agree the registration should have lined up with the rest of the writing) and I think itíll be better received in other countries than a grey jet.

If Iím honest I think many people on here need to take a long, hard look at themselves and ask why they are complaining. Does everything make you miserable? Have you got better things to worry about?

We are all strong personalities and of course we all think we know best but sometimes itís best just to accept things and move on.

If you really think that a jet in 1960ís livery would look better then maybe you need to accept that your views are from a bygone era and probably donít align with the views of the people who are currently serving.

Just as I can accept that there is no place for the Jaguar in the RAF of the 2020ís I think some other posters need to accept that times have moved on.

I know this is my standard whinge and itís been a while since Iíve made it but one day I hope people will listen.

BV
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Old 27th Jun 2020, 08:20
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
Iíve only just got round to looking at pictures of it.

What exactly has all the fuss been about? Of course you canít please everyone. I like it (I agree the registration should have lined up with the rest of the writing) and I think itíll be better received in other countries than a grey jet.

If Iím honest I think many people on here need to take a long, hard look at themselves and ask why they are complaining. Does everything make you miserable? Have you got better things to worry about?

We are all strong personalities and of course we all think we know best but sometimes itís best just to accept things and move on.

If you really think that a jet in 1960ís livery would look better then maybe you need to accept that your views are from a bygone era and probably donít align with the views of the people who are currently serving.

Just as I can accept that there is no place for the Jaguar in the RAF of the 2020ís I think some other posters need to accept that times have moved on.

I know this is my standard whinge and itís been a while since Iíve made it but one day I hope people will listen.

BV
Great reply and explains exactly what is wrong with PPRuNe.
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Old 27th Jun 2020, 08:26
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Originally Posted by Three Lions View Post
So is it ďdistressĒ or is it ďlese MajesteĒ

Or is it both?

This flag isn't upside down, and neither is the one on the starboard side of the fin, where the "virtual flagstaff" is at the leading edge (by long-standing convention).
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Old 27th Jun 2020, 09:47
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Originally Posted by DaveW View Post
where the "virtual flagstaff" is at the leading edge (by long-standing convention).
Though not a convention observed by the French, as noted earlier in the thread, where they are a bit gauche when it comes to orienting the flags on the Presidential aircraft fleet.

Strangely, the Germans usually manage to get theirs the right way round.
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Old 27th Jun 2020, 10:08
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
Iíve only just got round to looking at pictures of it.

What exactly has all the fuss been about? Of course you canít please everyone. I like it (I agree the registration should have lined up with the rest of the writing) and I think itíll be better received in other countries than a grey jet.

If Iím honest I think many people on here need to take a long, hard look at themselves and ask why they are complaining. Does everything make you miserable? Have you got better things to worry about?

We are all strong personalities and of course we all think we know best but sometimes itís best just to accept things and move on.

If you really think that a jet in 1960ís livery would look better then maybe you need to accept that your views are from a bygone era and probably donít align with the views of the people who are currently serving.

Just as I can accept that there is no place for the Jaguar in the RAF of the 2020ís I think some other posters need to accept that times have moved on.

I know this is my standard whinge and itís been a while since Iíve made it but one day I hope people will listen.

BV
Spot on in every respect. Some elements of society (and it seems those on social media have a disproportionate voice) seem to be vociferous in complaint about pretty much everything. I suspect the vast majority is more sanguine....and thankfully so.
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Old 27th Jun 2020, 10:23
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We're talking about our feelings of national identity, and if I find that understatement is part of being British, and brashness isn't, then the tail does not strike me as appropriate.

The fact that I am old enough to prefer cheat lines to swirls, and to think that the 1960s RAF-TC livery was one of the best ever, is a different question altogether, IMO.

YMMV.
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Old 27th Jun 2020, 10:24
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I don't really mind how its painted.

Neither will the the injured soldier that the aircraft brings back from the sand pit.

Or the Q Typhoons on the North Sea towline on a sh!te February night.
 
Old 27th Jun 2020, 10:39
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
Iíve only just got round to looking at pictures of it.

What exactly has all the fuss been about? Of course you canít please everyone. I like it (I agree the registration should have lined up with the rest of the writing) and I think itíll be better received in other countries than a grey jet.

If Iím honest I think many people on here need to take a long, hard look at themselves and ask why they are complaining. Does everything make you miserable? Have you got better things to worry about?

We are all strong personalities and of course we all think we know best but sometimes itís best just to accept things and move on.

If you really think that a jet in 1960ís livery would look better then maybe you need to accept that your views are from a bygone era and probably donít align with the views of the people who are currently serving.

Just as I can accept that there is no place for the Jaguar in the RAF of the 2020ís I think some other posters need to accept that times have moved on.

I know this is my standard whinge and itís been a while since Iíve made it but one day I hope people will listen.

BV

I quite like it, the stripe is not so in your face as the original sketch inferred and works well, I agree about the registration and you can see why they have done it, it is to align with the top of the blue line, but that said it's too big and needs to move down and align with the United Kingdom.

Having been involved in the past on several military repaints I am surprised no one involved piped up and it was altered on the fly, as an example of some of the errors we used to get on the drawings, we either approached the liaison or we simply changed them ourselves. we repainted the RN wetdreams in the distant past and the drawing showed the blue cheat line as shown and then the roundel on it, but as the outer ring of the roundel is the same colour as the cheat line, it would have ended up with a white circle with a red dot, therefore we added the white circle to correct it



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Old 27th Jun 2020, 11:11
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+1 to Bob V’s post. Some people just desperate for a moan at all costs.
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Old 27th Jun 2020, 11:31
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Yes, both of BEA's two final schemes featured those trademark red wings (upper and lower surfaces). Having spent many happy hours admiring them in the early part of my career (both from the cabin on ID90s and duty trips, and from the taildock on major checks), I was among those disappointed when BA couldn't replicate them on the retro A319, for both technical and safety reasons.

But regulations are regulations. Here's how BA broke the news in 2019 (sorry about the excruciating headline): BEAutiful British Airways liveried aircraft takes to the skies
The undersides are red



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Old 27th Jun 2020, 11:49
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Originally Posted by wub View Post
The undersides are red.
Indeed they are. As the press release linked in my post makes clear, it's only the upper sides that differ from the traditional BEA livery.

The red undersides look/looked great when viewed from the ground.



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Old 27th Jun 2020, 13:18
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I wonder if the red was a temperature issue?

When the RAF bought the Slingsby as a trainer they had to get agreement with Slingsby to have them painted in yellow, the fibreglass wings being very temperature critical, indeed even the none slip walkways were usually white.
They then bolstered the fleet by adding G- HONG and KONG ( from Hong Kong naturally ) and put them through the spray shop to match the rest of the Hunting fleet In Yellow..... when Slingsby learnt of it, they were required to put them back through paint shop to revert to white, due to being and earlier version and being even more temp critical.
Luckily for the paint shop when looking at removing the yellow paint, one of the guys found that it hadn’t bonded correctly and literally peeled off as one sheet. The paint company agreed it was faulty so provided the new paint for free.
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Old 27th Jun 2020, 13:48
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Paint: I remember when 74 Sqn celebrated their escape from fin-painting rules at the time of the creation of STC ... as there was no extant order preventing it. Accordingly, the following morning 74ís line at Tengah sported a handful of Black-Fin Lighnings.

Within 2 days, most of the paint had gone from the fin leading edges rearwards, creating a slightly tatty appearance. The problem was subsequently resolved, somehow!
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Old 27th Jun 2020, 14:20
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Originally Posted by N707ZS View Post
Even Tony Blair resisted having Blair force one.
No, Gordon Brown resisted the Blair creature having Balir force one
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