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Old 19th Jun 2020, 13:43
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Whilst everyone is sitting moaning about 'BJ1'. What bad news is being passed out quietly ?? Or am I just a suspicious beggar ??
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 13:46
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Originally Posted by Lilaccruiser View Post
That’s breathtakingly tacky. Is the “United Kingdom” really gold? Maybe it’s to match the taps in Bozza’s new long haul bathroom suite.
I have just shown the purported scheme to the OH (216 Adj in Comet days). She said little other than “OMG” and “Tacky”.

It does NOT look like a National Leader’s aircraft, it looks like thousands of other airliners. It lacks that long-disused word ... DIGNITY.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 13:54
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When we were a UK based company we had the misfortune to be on a number of British trade missions to far flung parts, with ministers and indeed PM,s, and I can honestly say I can not remember getting any significant business, or making any further contacts through being on them. Indeed given the behaviour of some delegates and members of govt in foreign parts it was better to distance yourself from the whole entourage, as they proved to be a significant embarrassment. Personally I have always done my own spade work to secure work world wide, and I would not need a Union Flag on a brightly coloured ex RAF 330 with the usual hangers onboard to do it.
Similarly as now based in Germany, I do not expect to be flying round in Mrs Merkel,s tired old Grey 340 which does break down a bit I am told. However I am interested in EU grants and or loans which can be used to further our business world wide but I can access those through my keyboard,s !
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 13:57
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There is a significant fraction of this country who hate it with a vengeance, despise all the trappings of statehood and heritage, and would gladly see us run by some other foreign power than accede to the legitimate democratically expressed will of its people. These people hated Boris before he was born, in fact they hate the very idea of a Boris. They would prefer him to cycle to international conferences in sack cloth and ashes followed by a chariot full of Grauniad readers flailing him with chains and thorns.

Speaking for myself, I actually would like to see Her Majesty and the Prime Minister travelling to state occasions in an aircraft appropriately liveried in the flag of this country, affording them the dignity and respect which they deserve. The previous VIP aircraft from Northolt had a perfectly respectable design.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 13:59
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I think the German Gov aircraft is now a shiny brand new A350😄
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 14:08
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Originally Posted by MAN777 View Post
I think the German Gov aircraft is now a shiny brand new A350😄
... in what colour scheme? A jolly Black/Red/Gold swoosh all over the tail and rear fuselage? 🤔

Wiki offers numerous examples ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_tr...and_government
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 14:46
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Meanwhile in a sensible country in a sensible livery...

Originally Posted by MAN777 View Post
I think the German Gov aircraft is now a shiny brand new A350😄
Yes, first of three at an estimated cost of EUR1.2bn. Apparently it has a "transitional cabin" and will be upgraded to the full spec when the other two have been delivered. The headline on a story at the time of the order was "German government orders three Airbus a350-900 to prevent VIP delays".

They are also to be used for Medevac and troop transport. They are also in the process of receiving 3 Bombadier Global 6000s for government use. (They have also ordered another 3 BG6000s as Sigint platforms having cancelled an order for 4 MQ-4C Tritons)

First German government A350 arrives for outfitting in Hamburg


Source: Airbus via FlightGlobal

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Old 19th Jun 2020, 15:31
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Originally Posted by Capt H Peacock View Post
There is a significant fraction of this country who hate it with a vengeance, despise all the trappings of statehood and heritage, and would gladly see us run by some other foreign power than accede to the legitimate democratically expressed will of its people. These people hated Boris before he was born, in fact they hate the very idea of a Boris. They would prefer him to cycle to international conferences in sack cloth and ashes followed by a chariot full of Grauniad readers flailing him with chains and thorns.

Speaking for myself, I actually would like to see Her Majesty and the Prime Minister travelling to state occasions in an aircraft appropriately liveried in the flag of this country, affording them the dignity and respect which they deserve. The previous VIP aircraft from Northolt had a perfectly respectable design.
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I think the timing of the change could have been better planned, and I think a jingoistic attitude may not be the way to go, and flying in on a plane emblazoned with the Union flag which carry,s some, shall we say unfortunate baggage in some parts of the world may not be helpful.
Oh and by the way I am Sunday Times reader not Guardian, so I assume that is directed at somebody else.
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Thanks for info on new German State A/C. I will look out for it on my travel's out and about in Germany/ Europe/ World . Though currently the one I see most on my travel's, has been a certain Russian tycoons who used to own a UK football club I believe.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 15:50
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Originally Posted by Davef68 View Post
I've never understood the British reluctance to having a proper VIP aircraft for the Head of Govt/Head of State.

Becuase unlike a country I won't name, our prime minister doesn't need to use the jet to go golfing every other weekend.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 15:58
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Lee Kwan Yew was happy to fly SQ all the time
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 16:02
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How about having all the flags of former colonies and dependencies incorporated into a nice old transport command cheat line, alphabetical from front to rear ?

Mind you, that may put the USA a long way back, near the Windward Islands
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 16:33
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How about having all the flags of former colonies and dependencies incorporated into a nice old transport command cheat line, alphabetical from front to rear ?

Mind you, that may put the USA a long way back, near the Windward Islands
RIGHT ON!!. My gosh, that would upset the Donald. Might even spoil his third term.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 16:36
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Best advert for country and airline.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 19:20
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Better not tell Joe Public how much it costs for each engine to go to shop...
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 19:50
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June 9th EGsC

Saw it from back garden on approach to EGsC to be dolled up by Marshalls for our esteemed leader.

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Old 19th Jun 2020, 20:46
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From the Guardian

Experts argue that by gradually repurposing the jet as a British flagship, Johnson and the prime ministers immediately before him are in effect gaining control of what is a $240m modified Airbus A330M on the cheap, with the true costs paid by the Ministry of Defence via the PFI deal.

“No 10 should make that argument and be upfront about the cost. Instead this looks like they’re trying to get it through the back door with a dubious claim that this aircraft is still primarily a tanker,” Netherwood said.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 22:20
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There is nothing wrong with a VIP fleet. The problem is this being done through the back door. Yes, it is all public money but this has been done behind closed doors. A cheesey 'look how great britain we are' paint job will not be well received by (I suggest) the majority at home and certainly not those abroad. We have been upsetting the rest of the world for 400 years - why stop now?
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 23:17
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I suppose this is what you get when The Telegraph reading “Let’s have a new royal yacht Britannia” set meets the pseudo-trumpian “I’ll paint the damn plane the way I want it” ego.

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Old 19th Jun 2020, 23:35
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I will be surprised if we will be able to afford to pay for the full Airbus contract much longer.
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Old 20th Jun 2020, 00:26
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Back ends good but everything fwd of the wing not so good, nor the little RAF logos and serial location, In fact downright tacky comes to mind... keep it simply always gives it a sense of style, business like and purpose.

it makes you think the arse end has followed Frances tasteful scheme and after that they threw it open to committee and they all chucked their ideas on it.... Gold United Kingdom, what were they thinking? As if the arse end doesn’t tell you that, t looks like a flying knocking shop.

Maggie would have needed a bigger hanky to cover up that mess.
It is bloody awful!
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