Lakenheath F-15 down, North Sea
Pilot's name released
"ROYAL AIR FORCE LAKENHEATH, United Kingdom -- With next of kin notifications complete, we can confirm that the pilot killed in yesterday’s F-15C Eagle crash was 1st Lt. Kenneth Allen, assistant chief of weapons and tactics for the 493rd Fighter Squadron.
Allen first arrived at the 48th Fighter Wing in Feb. 2020, and is survived by his wife and parents.
“We are deeply saddened by the loss of Lt. Allen, and mourn with his family and his fellow Reapers in the 493rd Fighter Squadron. The tremendous outpouring of love and support from our communities has been a ray of light in this time of darkness,” said Col Will Marshall, 48th Fighter Wing commander."
As above, thoughts and prayers with family, colleagues and friends. Blue skies.
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Allen first arrived at the 48th Fighter Wing in Feb. 2020, and is survived by his wife and parents.
“We are deeply saddened by the loss of Lt. Allen, and mourn with his family and his fellow Reapers in the 493rd Fighter Squadron. The tremendous outpouring of love and support from our communities has been a ray of light in this time of darkness,” said Col Will Marshall, 48th Fighter Wing commander."
As above, thoughts and prayers with family, colleagues and friends. Blue skies.
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Last edited by SLXOwft; 16th Jun 2020 at 09:50. Reason: Simultaneous posting
DV
That didn’t take you long.
Whilst we all appreciate your crusade, since it is done with noble intentions, once again I need to remind you of the limitations of CWS in FJ operations. During any form of visual air combat (I mean this generically since I do not know the circumstances of yesterday’s accident) no current or conceivable CWS will ever be of any real use. There are clearly many other circumstances where it could be useful, hence I agree with your desire to see it fitted, but please don’t try to give anyone the impression that it is a panacea.
We currently have no idea what happened yesterday over the North Sea and indeed if a collision happened. I think it is a little soon to bring up this argument.
BV
Whilst we all appreciate your crusade, since it is done with noble intentions, once again I need to remind you of the limitations of CWS in FJ operations. During any form of visual air combat (I mean this generically since I do not know the circumstances of yesterday’s accident) no current or conceivable CWS will ever be of any real use. There are clearly many other circumstances where it could be useful, hence I agree with your desire to see it fitted, but please don’t try to give anyone the impression that it is a panacea.
We currently have no idea what happened yesterday over the North Sea and indeed if a collision happened. I think it is a little soon to bring up this argument.
BV
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Bob, I think it relates to a much earlier post, see post 11
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I’m aware of the rumours from an earlier post. However, I’m struggling to think of a scenario where a mid air collision results in a crash for one aircraft and just a cracked canopy for the other.
For me, the mid air collision narrative doesn’t quite add up. Of course, I may well be wrong but I’m not going to make my guesses in public.
BV
For me, the mid air collision narrative doesn’t quite add up. Of course, I may well be wrong but I’m not going to make my guesses in public.
BV
The cause of the crash is currently unknown and an investigation is under way.
And as was said earlier, the jet that reported the cracked canopy and depressurisation did so more than two hours after the accident jet went into the sea.
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I’m aware of the rumours from an earlier post. However, I’m struggling to think of a scenario where a mid air collision results in a crash for one aircraft and just a cracked canopy for the other.
For me, the mid air collision narrative doesn’t quite add up. Of course, I may well be wrong but I’m not going to make my guesses in public.
BV
For me, the mid air collision narrative doesn’t quite add up. Of course, I may well be wrong but I’m not going to make my guesses in public.
BV
Salute!
Well, Bob, just so happens I have a fairly close buddy from my Viper and Sluf days that can talk to you about a mid-air.
https://www.racing-reference.info/showblog?id=3142
Sadly, I also knew one of the pilots in the same plane that went down later. He was the son of my war time flight commander, and his accident might have been prevented by the ground collision gizmo. We early Viper folks did not want a robot taking over when we were not expecting it for reasons you outlined. Our gee onset was so great compared to other planes that we lost a few where the CWS or simikar could have helped. I even had my student go la la one day and recovered as he came to.
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Well, Bob, just so happens I have a fairly close buddy from my Viper and Sluf days that can talk to you about a mid-air.
https://www.racing-reference.info/showblog?id=3142
Sadly, I also knew one of the pilots in the same plane that went down later. He was the son of my war time flight commander, and his accident might have been prevented by the ground collision gizmo. We early Viper folks did not want a robot taking over when we were not expecting it for reasons you outlined. Our gee onset was so great compared to other planes that we lost a few where the CWS or simikar could have helped. I even had my student go la la one day and recovered as he came to.
Gums sends...
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Gums, you get the link I sent you?
Gums
Obviously anything is possible in aviation!
Please don’t confuse collision warning systems (ie TCAS) with GCAS. In an ideal world all FJs would have both, but systems that are properly optimised for FJ operations.
I know you know the difference but my earlier posts refer to DVs crusade to have all FJs fitted with a CWS. I think using this accident to bring up the subject may be a red herring.
Bear in mind I know no more about what transpired yesterday than anyone else.
BV
Please don’t confuse collision warning systems (ie TCAS) with GCAS. In an ideal world all FJs would have both, but systems that are properly optimised for FJ operations.
I know you know the difference but my earlier posts refer to DVs crusade to have all FJs fitted with a CWS. I think using this accident to bring up the subject may be a red herring.
Bear in mind I know no more about what transpired yesterday than anyone else.
BV
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
There have been plenty of instances over the UK where different call signs have collided. No always a wing man.
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