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RAF Valley: Unauthorised landing and take-off

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Old 29th May 2020, 17:39
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Originally Posted by diginagain
On a Bank Holiday?
Surely even at a training station, the OC or his/her nominated deputy must be available 24/7.
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Old 29th May 2020, 17:41
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Originally Posted by scarecrow450
No ATIS as it was a Bank Holiday, entered a MATZ with out 2 way contact, landed at a military afd without permission and did not have permission to land there oh and was he covered insurance wise to land at a military afd oh and in a foreign registered aircraft.

If ATC is closed, as it was there are no red flares to fire, besides bet he'd ignore it anyway !
The MATZ doesn't apply to civil aircraft, however he did enter the ATZ without ATC clearance.
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Incident also made the "Now finally" bit on BBC Radio 4 News 10 mins ago.

Yes, what bit of PPO eluded him, I wonder? i remain convinced, by a/c type, N-reg and pilot behaviour, it's another Grey Charter cowboy. I do earnestly hope the CAA has a spare ton of bricks available.
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Old 29th May 2020, 18:24
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No doubt he will gain "diplomatic immunity" retrospectively?
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Old 29th May 2020, 19:09
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Cheers for posting the full info on this thread. If I had been there, I would have let his tyres down.
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Old 29th May 2020, 19:32
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Cat,should`ve been a couple of scouse lads around....wheels would be on e-bay ...
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Old 29th May 2020, 19:36
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Mmmmm......airfield closed, MATZ collapsed - spot of low flying perhaps?

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Old 29th May 2020, 19:38
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Originally Posted by MPN11
I do earnestly hope the CAA has a spare ton of bricks available.
I'll be surprised if the CAA even bother to do anything..........
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Old 29th May 2020, 19:41
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Originally Posted by sycamore
Cat,should`ve been a couple of scouse lads around....wheels would be on e-bay ...
Plastic Scousers around Valley.
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Old 29th May 2020, 19:49
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​​​​​​​NordWind and N412MD are Moscow based...

As a newbie I can post urls, but if you google
'who owns N412MD it shows NordWind and N412MD are Moscow based...
So the poster above joking about a Bear landing at Valley asking for directions may mot be far off 😁😎
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Old 29th May 2020, 20:59
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Originally Posted by skydivernigel
As a newbie I can post urls, but if you google
'who owns N412MD it shows NordWind and N412MD are Moscow based...
So the poster above joking about a Bear landing at Valley asking for directions may mot be far off 😁😎
Easy, tiger... Google isn't always 'on the money'. Nordwind flight nrs are prefixed N4...

If it's Flightera.net it points you to, that shows Nordwind have a fleet of 45 PC12`s, all registered N4xxxx, happily flitting between American and Canadian cities!!! Clearly a load of old b-------s...
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Old 29th May 2020, 21:20
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Let's hope the Russians don't start flying PC-12s ! They should have kept it there to show all the studies what a serviceable aircraft looks like
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Old 29th May 2020, 22:21
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My ridiculous mistake, apologies guys...

My ridiculous mistake, apologies guys...

Originally Posted by G-ARZG
Easy, tiger... Google isn't always 'on the money'. Nordwind flight nrs are prefixed N4...

If it's Flightera.net it points you to, that shows Nordwind have a fleet of 45 PC12`s, all registered N4xxxx, happily flitting between American and Canadian cities!!! Clearly a load of old b-------s...
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Old 29th May 2020, 23:47
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Originally Posted by scarecrow450
I blocked in a Dove with the ATC Rover at a secret base in Norfolk years ago as he had refused to pay his parking fees, When I got out and locked it telling the pilot I'd be back the following day with a 50% increase in his fees he soon payed up !
At an airport near me many moons ago, an impounded 707 or more likely a DC8 was held until some debts were cleared, they had towed it to the wash bay and blocked it in with a de-ice truck. When cleared to leave he got the last laugh, his outboards overhung the edge of the taxiway and as he poured on the coals to climb the hill he departed in a cloud of low flying raised taxiway lighting.. he took them all out.
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Old 29th May 2020, 23:52
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Jesus, what huge thread of indecision! If the facts are as stated, this guy should have been arrested by Service Police (there would have been a power to detain) and handed over to civil police who properly should have interviewed/charged/released as appropriate. The aircraft could have then been released subject to appropriate measures being put in place, and an agrreement to meet all charges. The fact that the aircraft is US registered is of little consequence, but to list the possible offences that the CAA Enforcement Branch might want to consider would fill several pages. That said, always two sides to a story....
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Old 29th May 2020, 23:58
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No other side. Man flew into a place he was not authorised to do so. Breaking multiple laws over and above landing. I would have kicked him off the base to the civil police (whom would likely have interviewed) without his aircraft.
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Old 30th May 2020, 00:17
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Swedish Air Force had their moment some years ago around Easter holidays. Russkies have simulated a bomber attack on Gotland and Stockholm and SWE AF could not scramble a single fast jet due to all pilots on leave/holidays. They had to ask NATO command to scramble Lithuanian based QRA to intercept Tupolev bombers....
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Old 30th May 2020, 00:19
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Danger

Should've been locked-up in the Guardroom until handed over to Civil Police. The aircraft should then be dismantled for removal by road!
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Old 30th May 2020, 00:21
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Sitting outside the mess at Seletar one Sunday afternoon. The airfield was closed, no fire section personnel on duty and ATC shut and locked. All of a sudden I saw an AAC Beaver from the flight based at Seletar land on the runway and taxy to its usual dispersal. I was Station Fire Officer, so I called SATCO in his MQ and asked him if he knew anything about this. He didnt, and told me to leave it to him. Upshot was that the next morning the pilot of the Beaver got a massive bollocking for landing at the airfield when it was closed. The pongoes were genuinely puzzled and aggrieved, they said they regularly operated out of up country strips with no fire cover, etc, so they couldn't see what the fuss was about, and in one respect I could see they had a point. Different situation to the one we are discussing, but I was just reminded of my incident by it.

Some overshot, some rolled (1995 phraseology))
More thread drift, I was talking about rollers on another forum, and one chap said he had never heard the term before. Is it all touch and go now? Have to say that sitting in the back of a Victor tanker in the 70s a lot of our landings seemed touch and go
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Old 30th May 2020, 00:25
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Originally Posted by Cat Techie
No other side. Man flew into a place he was not authorised to do so. Breaking multiple laws over and above landing. I would have kicked him off the base to the civil police (whom would likely have interviewed) without his aircraft.
Probably not, but best to be apprised of all the information and evidence before reaching a definitive conclusion. On the face of it doesn't look like much wriggle room.
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