Canadian Forces Snowbirds CT-114 down in British Columbia
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tartare "...smoke on ejection.." It is usual. Ejection seats are propelled by small rockets.
LKF. Aircraft ejections usually result in injury to the ejectee. Lately, the odds of getting injured upon ejection is kinda 50/50. An improvement since I last checked. Seats and training are getting better, apparently.
LKF. Aircraft ejections usually result in injury to the ejectee. Lately, the odds of getting injured upon ejection is kinda 50/50. An improvement since I last checked. Seats and training are getting better, apparently.
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Originally Posted by evansb
Ejection seats are propelled by small rockets. What did you think? Rubber bands?
Have a look at multiple ejection videos on the web.
Flames, yes.
A bit of white smoke, occasionally.
First time I've seen that degree of brown/black smoke.
And there's more from one seat than the other.
The Tutor is a 1960s era aircraft - does it still use the Weber seats?
Perhaps just a different type of propellant...
City will hold press conference at 16:45 local. Impact was on the north shore of the Thompson River in Brocklehurst area (Tranquille/Crestline/Glenview/Schreiner Streets). One female confirmed dead of catastrophic injuries - "It looks like she hit a tree."
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Originally Posted by tartare
The Tutor is a 1960s era aircraft - does it still use the Weber seats?
Perhaps just a different type of propellant...
Perhaps just a different type of propellant...
IMO, it's past time to ditch the Tutors and maybe spend the money on some BAE Hawks like those used at NFTC in Moose Jaw.
Speaking as a former QFI.
Looks initially like an engine failure after T/O, followed by an attempt to trade energy for altitude and then a turn back leading to a loss of control and ejection.
basing my judgement entirely on the video and audio recordings.
Looks initially like an engine failure after T/O, followed by an attempt to trade energy for altitude and then a turn back leading to a loss of control and ejection.
basing my judgement entirely on the video and audio recordings.
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Snowbirds crash victim was Haligonian, former journalist
Official sources have confirmed that one person has died in a tragic accident that occurred in Kamloops, earlier todayabout an hour ago
By: HalifaxToday Staff
Official sources have confirmed that one person has died in a tragic accident that occurred in Kamloops, B.C. earlier today.
"It is with heavy hearts that we announce that one member of the CF Snowbirds team has died and one has sustained serious injuries," says a Tweet from the Snowbirds.
HalifaxToday has confirmed that Captain Jenn Casey, who served as a spokesperson for the Snowbirds, was on the plane when it crashed.
Casey grew up in Halifax, getting a Bachelor of Arts at Dalhousie University and attending journalism school at the University of King's College. Prior to joining the Canadian Armed Forces, Jenn was an employee of NEWS 95.7 working as a reporter, an anchor and as a producer for The Rick Howe Show.
According to her online profile with the Air Force, Casey has been with the Snowbirds since November 2018. The RCAF confirmed in a Tweet that Casey's family has been notified.
Originally Posted by tartare
Yes - I do know that
Have a look at multiple ejection videos on the web.
Flames, yes.
A bit of white smoke, occasionally.
First time I've seen that degree of brown/black smoke.
And there's more from one seat than the other.
The Tutor is a 1960s era aircraft - does it still use the Weber seats?
Perhaps just a different type of propellant...
Have a look at multiple ejection videos on the web.
Flames, yes.
A bit of white smoke, occasionally.
First time I've seen that degree of brown/black smoke.
And there's more from one seat than the other.
The Tutor is a 1960s era aircraft - does it still use the Weber seats?
Perhaps just a different type of propellant...
Originally Posted by dave.rooney
I asked the same question... I can't find anything saying otherwise. Also, when Capt. Kevin Domon-Grenier had to eject last October, he reported "anomalies" during the ejection sequence. Again, I couldn't find any specifics on that.
IMO, it's past time to ditch the Tutors and maybe spend the money on some BAE Hawks like those used at NFTC in Moose Jaw.
IMO, it's past time to ditch the Tutors and maybe spend the money on some BAE Hawks like those used at NFTC in Moose Jaw.
Yep, wondered if it was a stall on attempted turn back when watching the video.
Questions around smoke and propellants - I was thinking about the age of the seats - and if the `chute deployed on Captain Casey's...
Originally Posted by Monarch Man
Speaking as a former QFI.
Looks initially like an engine failure after T/O, followed by an attempt to trade energy for altitude and then a turn back leading to a loss of control and ejection.
basing my judgement entirely on the video and audio recordings.
Looks initially like an engine failure after T/O, followed by an attempt to trade energy for altitude and then a turn back leading to a loss of control and ejection.
basing my judgement entirely on the video and audio recordings.
The description of the retired nurse at the scene wasn’t an easy read.
Originally Posted by dave.rooney
IMO, it's past time to ditch the Tutors and maybe spend the money on some BAE Hawks like those used at NFTC in Moose Jaw.
sarcasm off
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Any amount of negative vertical speed can overcome even the newest 0/0 seats. A certain envelope must be fulfilled in order for the seats to have a chance of working successfully. It seems control was lost prior to ejection, which was done at an undesirable energy state. Any idea on the glide performance of the Tutor, plenty of empty land around the airport...
Any idea on the glide performance of the Tutor, plenty of empty land around the airport...
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ka...4d-120.4417902
But there is the Thompson River directly on runway heading (either runway, it bends around the airport). However, I have no clue how well a Tutor would handle a ditching, nor whether a visiting crew would recognize that option unless they'd had a special briefing.
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It is not unusual for the majority of the Snowbirds team to be from non-FJ backgrounds. The RCAF is also very short on FJ pilots as it is.
As nice an idea as an RCAF team flying Hornets sounds I think they would really struggle to man it. Especially as a 9-ship.
BV
As nice an idea as an RCAF team flying Hornets sounds I think they would really struggle to man it. Especially as a 9-ship.
BV
