China's expansionist strategy
Back in early 1997 I was chatting to a fairly important Chinese official about the impending handover of Hong Kong.
"After that it will be Macao," I said.
"Yes; and after that it will be Singapore."
"Singapore? That has never been Chinese."
"It is governed by Chinese so it belongs to China".
Fortunately he wasn't that important.
"After that it will be Macao," I said.
"Yes; and after that it will be Singapore."
"Singapore? That has never been Chinese."
"It is governed by Chinese so it belongs to China".
Fortunately he wasn't that important.
Back in early 1997 I was chatting to a fairly important Chinese official about the impending handover of Hong Kong.
"After that it will be Macao," I said.
"Yes; and after that it will be Singapore."
"Singapore? That has never been Chinese."
"It is governed by Chinese so it belongs to China".
Fortunately he wasn't that important.
"After that it will be Macao," I said.
"Yes; and after that it will be Singapore."
"Singapore? That has never been Chinese."
"It is governed by Chinese so it belongs to China".
Fortunately he wasn't that important.
Everybody assummes that because some foreign official states something that it is defacto Govt policy and they will follow it to the letter.................. wonder if everybody though the same about the comments of a US Senator or UK Govt MP what would happen.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
US, UK and other democratic foreign policies are really debated in parliament, discussed on television and written up in political articles.
With Chinese policy you have to read the runes and listen carefully to what titbits they let drop.....
With Chinese policy you have to read the runes and listen carefully to what titbits they let drop.....
When was it discussed on TV and debated with people being told clearly what they were signing up to ?
Back with your tinfoil hat again racedo. Until you ever find proof of the UK government arming and supporting Al Qaeda you should probably restrain yourself from posting such extremist, radical and alarmist nonsense on this forum. I have no doubt there are other forums on the web where you can sit in your underpants freely exchanging such stuff.
Stay on topic. If you feel the need to discuss this, take it to the US politics thread.
You guys have it all wrong.
Chinese policy is not "expansionist" it is "restorative"
For a long time the Chinese people were held back from their proper place in the world by the superior industrial and military might of the western powers and their allies, aided by the treachery of the former Chinese ruling classes.
Now that Chinese society has been reformed through the work of the People led by the Party, and China's industry is pre-eminent in all the world, the Chinese nation will be restored to its proper place in the order of things:
It's just a matter of looking at things from the right point of view
Chinese policy is not "expansionist" it is "restorative"
For a long time the Chinese people were held back from their proper place in the world by the superior industrial and military might of the western powers and their allies, aided by the treachery of the former Chinese ruling classes.
Now that Chinese society has been reformed through the work of the People led by the Party, and China's industry is pre-eminent in all the world, the Chinese nation will be restored to its proper place in the order of things:
- Chinese sovereignty and control over the seas and islands defined by the Nine Dashed Line will be restored.
- The rebel province of Taipei will be restored to its proper place in the bosom of the great Chinese Peoples' Republic.
- Good order and proper discipline will be restored in the misled and unruly province of Hong Kong.
It's just a matter of looking at things from the right point of view
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Not being party to the innermost thinking of the praesidium, I must accept that your insight is legitimate knowledge..
Perhaps the time has come to rearrange some outdated points of view.
IG
Perhaps the time has come to rearrange some outdated points of view.
IG
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But we should believe a lowly official who has zero input into anything, supposedly knows everything because he/she has a chat with a foreigner who claimed they said it.
Doesn't that fact that people claiming it is despotic, non democratic etc etc kinda kill the likelihood that anything would be shared other than to those with lots of real power ? or maybe my understanding of depotic regimes is different in that they share everything with everybody.
What you mean highlighting how despotic regimes where the people at the top make all the big decisions. Nobody way way down the food chain is ever given an inkling of what is occuring........ as claimed all the time in the West.
But we should believe a lowly official who has zero input into anything, supposedly knows everything because he/she has a chat with a foreigner who claimed they said it.
Doesn't that fact that people claiming it is despotic, non democratic etc etc kinda kill the likelihood that anything would be shared other than to those with lots of real power ? or maybe my understanding of depotic regimes is different in that they share everything with everybody.
But we should believe a lowly official who has zero input into anything, supposedly knows everything because he/she has a chat with a foreigner who claimed they said it.
Doesn't that fact that people claiming it is despotic, non democratic etc etc kinda kill the likelihood that anything would be shared other than to those with lots of real power ? or maybe my understanding of depotic regimes is different in that they share everything with everybody.
You guys have it all wrong.
Chinese policy is not "expansionist" it is "restorative"
For a long time the Chinese people were held back from their proper place in the world by the superior industrial and military might of the western powers and their allies, aided by the treachery of the former Chinese ruling classes.
Now that Chinese society has been reformed through the work of the People led by the Party, and China's industry is pre-eminent in all the world, the Chinese nation will be restored to its proper place in the order of things:
It's just a matter of looking at things from the right point of view
Chinese policy is not "expansionist" it is "restorative"
For a long time the Chinese people were held back from their proper place in the world by the superior industrial and military might of the western powers and their allies, aided by the treachery of the former Chinese ruling classes.
Now that Chinese society has been reformed through the work of the People led by the Party, and China's industry is pre-eminent in all the world, the Chinese nation will be restored to its proper place in the order of things:
- Chinese sovereignty and control over the seas and islands defined by the Nine Dashed Line will be restored.
- The rebel province of Taipei will be restored to its proper place in the bosom of the great Chinese Peoples' Republic.
- Good order and proper discipline will be restored in the misled and unruly province of Hong Kong.
It's just a matter of looking at things from the right point of view
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Dr Dre,
China is an undemocratic, tyrannical, authoritarian, repressive dictatorship which tramples roughshod over human rights, and will never embrace anyone's rights to self determination.
China persecutes its own Muslim minority Uighur population.
China has persecuted Falun Gong adherents.
China imprisons and executes political opponents.
China illegally occupies Tibet, and has practised repression and ethnic cleansing.
China hectors, bullies and threatens Taiwan.
China has shown itself to be without honour when it comes to Hong Kong.
Let's not bother arguing about what China has and hasn't done during the COVID crisis, and whether the spread of the virus beyond China was deliberate, or whether it has merely been exploited by China. Let's not waste time condemning Chinese cyber attacks against Western infrastructure.
But do let's look at your characterisation of the South China Sea.
Have you looked at a f*cking map? Have you seen how much of the area within the nine dash line is far closer to China's neighbours than it is to China itself? Have you worked out how much of it is international waters? Can you seriously characterise the PRC as anything other than aggressive and expansionist?
China is an undemocratic, tyrannical, authoritarian, repressive dictatorship which tramples roughshod over human rights, and will never embrace anyone's rights to self determination.
China persecutes its own Muslim minority Uighur population.
China has persecuted Falun Gong adherents.
China imprisons and executes political opponents.
China illegally occupies Tibet, and has practised repression and ethnic cleansing.
China hectors, bullies and threatens Taiwan.
China has shown itself to be without honour when it comes to Hong Kong.
Let's not bother arguing about what China has and hasn't done during the COVID crisis, and whether the spread of the virus beyond China was deliberate, or whether it has merely been exploited by China. Let's not waste time condemning Chinese cyber attacks against Western infrastructure.
But do let's look at your characterisation of the South China Sea.
Have you looked at a f*cking map? Have you seen how much of the area within the nine dash line is far closer to China's neighbours than it is to China itself? Have you worked out how much of it is international waters? Can you seriously characterise the PRC as anything other than aggressive and expansionist?
All we need now is a politician coming back and proclaiming "peace in our time".
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Munich Agreement
Not that it matters much but Neville Chamberlain didn't say 'Peace in our time' what he said was 'Peace for our time'.
Okay he didn't get as much as a full year's worth of peace, but it did buy us some time to continue rearming and getting ready for the inevitable.
As for the Chinese occupation of the South China Sea, this is a debate which, if held five or six years ago might have had some relevance.
The world has lost this battle - the island fortresses are there to stay.
Some of them are actually 'Chinese Soil' ship-loads of it were moved there.
Do we seriously imagine a conflict situation whereby 'the West' would go into combat to remove the Chinese military from these 'islands'?
If you care to look you'll find their expansionist plan set out for the coming decades.
This is just one of the steps ...
Okay he didn't get as much as a full year's worth of peace, but it did buy us some time to continue rearming and getting ready for the inevitable.
As for the Chinese occupation of the South China Sea, this is a debate which, if held five or six years ago might have had some relevance.
The world has lost this battle - the island fortresses are there to stay.
Some of them are actually 'Chinese Soil' ship-loads of it were moved there.
Do we seriously imagine a conflict situation whereby 'the West' would go into combat to remove the Chinese military from these 'islands'?
If you care to look you'll find their expansionist plan set out for the coming decades.
This is just one of the steps ...
rjtjrt,
Er, give ONE example of how 21st Century China is behaving like 1930's Nazi Germany?
Er, give ONE example of how 21st Century China is behaving like 1930's Nazi Germany?
Pervasive censorship and propaganda which ensures that citizens see, hear and read only that which the government allows them to?
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