Venezuelan Navy Ship Sinks after Ramming Cruise Ship
Do we have any neutral plot of the actual position where it all happened?
Only depiction I've seen. Inner circle around the island I assume is the 12 mile territorial waters limit, the outer circle the 24 mile contiguous zone, though the depiction seems in error as reports say the Resolute was 13 miles from the island, and the scaling of the rings seems at odds.
There is more to this than meets the eye at a time when the US has gathered a number of naval and air assets from Europe, the Pacific and home bases to undertake operations (Note: not exercises)
E3's, Helicopters, Destroyers and amphibious vessels have not been deployed to the Venezuelan Coastal region on this scale before. The Russians have also dealt themselves into a potential confrontation.
IG
E3's, Helicopters, Destroyers and amphibious vessels have not been deployed to the Venezuelan Coastal region on this scale before. The Russians have also dealt themselves into a potential confrontation.
IG
are you suggesting the Germans & Portuguese are in cahoots with the US on a possible "Change of Regime" ?/
"The 403ft RCGS Resolute is a luxury liner which sails under a Portuguese flag and is designed for voyages in Antarctica.It had been drifting 13 miles off La Tortuga, an uninhabited Venezuelan island 60 miles off the northern coast, according to its owner. Columbia, a German company,"
Trump would be murdered by the press if he launches a military adventure when Americans are dying left right & centre
"The 403ft RCGS Resolute is a luxury liner which sails under a Portuguese flag and is designed for voyages in Antarctica.It had been drifting 13 miles off La Tortuga, an uninhabited Venezuelan island 60 miles off the northern coast, according to its owner. Columbia, a German company,"
Trump would be murdered by the press if he launches a military adventure when Americans are dying left right & centre
This is the best I can find.
https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/cruise-...d-wins/54850/2
https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/cruise-...d-wins/54850/2
Trump would be murdered by the press if he launches a military adventure when Americans are dying left right & centre
Esper published a list of the forces mobilized for the mission, including Navy destroyers, Coast Guard cutters, Navy littoral combat ships, helicopters, Navy P-8 patrol aircraft, along with Air Force E-3 AWACS and E-8 JSTARS to carry out airborne surveillance, control, and communications.
The operation includes security forces assistance brigades. At the press conference Wednesday, Gen. Mark Milley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said there were “thousands” of sailors, Coast Guardsmen, soldiers, airmen and Marines involved.
Some experts have been surprised by some of the assets mobilized to the region.
“There is some serious military hardware listed here,” said Adam Isaacson, the director of the Defense Oversight program at the Washington Office on Latin America.
“I can’t recall the last time there were U.S. Navy destroyers in the Caribbean or the eastern Pacific coast [on operations, not exercises]. And each E-3 AWACS plane costs more than a quarter-billion dollars,” he said on Twitter.
According to the U.S. Southern Command, in charge of carrying out the operation in the Caribbean and the Pacific Eastern coast, those aircraft have been in use in the region.
“AWACs is one of the aircraft we have used to conduct detection and monitoring operations in the past,” José Ruiz, a media relations officer at Southcom, told the Miami Herald. “Insofar as Navy ships are concerned, flight-deck capable ships are one of the assets that comprise the kind of force package that enables the disruption of illicit drugs flowing into the U.S.”
Such Coast Guard “force packages” — patrol aircraft, ships with flight decks, helicopters and law enforcement detachments — are standard in counternarcotics operations, Ruiz said.
The operation includes security forces assistance brigades. At the press conference Wednesday, Gen. Mark Milley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said there were “thousands” of sailors, Coast Guardsmen, soldiers, airmen and Marines involved.
Some experts have been surprised by some of the assets mobilized to the region.
“There is some serious military hardware listed here,” said Adam Isaacson, the director of the Defense Oversight program at the Washington Office on Latin America.
“I can’t recall the last time there were U.S. Navy destroyers in the Caribbean or the eastern Pacific coast [on operations, not exercises]. And each E-3 AWACS plane costs more than a quarter-billion dollars,” he said on Twitter.
According to the U.S. Southern Command, in charge of carrying out the operation in the Caribbean and the Pacific Eastern coast, those aircraft have been in use in the region.
“AWACs is one of the aircraft we have used to conduct detection and monitoring operations in the past,” José Ruiz, a media relations officer at Southcom, told the Miami Herald. “Insofar as Navy ships are concerned, flight-deck capable ships are one of the assets that comprise the kind of force package that enables the disruption of illicit drugs flowing into the U.S.”
Such Coast Guard “force packages” — patrol aircraft, ships with flight decks, helicopters and law enforcement detachments — are standard in counternarcotics operations, Ruiz said.
Bit of a weighty package for a narco operation???
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There is more to this than meets the eye at a time when the US has gathered a number of naval and air assets from Europe, the Pacific and home bases to undertake operations (Note: not exercises)
E3's, Helicopters, Destroyers and amphibious vessels have not been deployed to the Venezuelan Coastal region on this scale before. The Russians have also dealt themselves into a potential confrontation.
IG
E3's, Helicopters, Destroyers and amphibious vessels have not been deployed to the Venezuelan Coastal region on this scale before. The Russians have also dealt themselves into a potential confrontation.
IG
Bay of Pigs and all that ??
David
"The vertical scrapes on the bow of the liner look as though she rode up over the corvette (as that acute angled ice-strengthened prow is designed to do),"
I once crewed on an Ice Hardened ship. We were docking in a very tight Scottish port and moving a less than 1 knot when the bow gently touched the jetty, The ship rose effortlessly to an angle of 30 degrees till about 30 feet overhung the jetty, she then slipped quietly back into the water.
Any ship approaching the bow of an ice classed ship does so at her peril, as the unfortunate Venezuelan commander has found to his sorrow.
I once crewed on an Ice Hardened ship. We were docking in a very tight Scottish port and moving a less than 1 knot when the bow gently touched the jetty, The ship rose effortlessly to an angle of 30 degrees till about 30 feet overhung the jetty, she then slipped quietly back into the water.
Any ship approaching the bow of an ice classed ship does so at her peril, as the unfortunate Venezuelan commander has found to his sorrow.
Last edited by reefrat; 9th Apr 2020 at 01:03.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hisutto.../#44dc6cf77a2d
Apparently it was the visible inflatables on board the Resolute that got the navy excited about possible mercenary landings.
Quote: "Accusations of a plot involving mercenaries go back to before the incident. On March 22, Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro accused Colombia and opposition leader Juan Guaido of plotting to kill him. He accused the U.S. of bankrolling the operation. The alleged plot, later described by Information Minister Jorge Rodriguez, included paid hitmen from several Central American countries."
Apparently it was the visible inflatables on board the Resolute that got the navy excited about possible mercenary landings.
Quote: "Accusations of a plot involving mercenaries go back to before the incident. On March 22, Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro accused Colombia and opposition leader Juan Guaido of plotting to kill him. He accused the U.S. of bankrolling the operation. The alleged plot, later described by Information Minister Jorge Rodriguez, included paid hitmen from several Central American countries."
Curacao (CUR) has seen quite a range of visitors over the Chavez and Maduro ruling periods. Quite a range of military "kit" as you residents east of the colonies say. 
I'd have to think seriously which aircraft type of several nations hasn't enjoyed a posting there from small and fast, large carriers of noise makers as well as those with long range electronic vision of a few countries.
I'd have to think seriously which aircraft type of several nations hasn't enjoyed a posting there from small and fast, large carriers of noise makers as well as those with long range electronic vision of a few countries.
