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Old 31st Mar 2020, 13:31
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BUA flew in and out of Ndola - I think that was quite short
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Old 31st Mar 2020, 15:04
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Ah, and there's me thinking you were referring to the RAF Fireman who managed to do the dirty deed with a WRAF Air Stewardess during a turnround at Gan. Early '70's ISTR.
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Old 31st Mar 2020, 15:05
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Originally Posted by Jhieminga View Post
Have a look at Andy Lambert's video for that story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmakSwlYLs0 They got lucky....
Blimey Jhieminga, I do now remember someone explained that but that was close with the tree hole! That could have gone nasty quickly!!!! Ugh!

Re VC10.net, what a great site! Been in there for ages now - so many amazing stories! The best so far is the "Stilton-eating vacuum cleaner!". Only a bl**dy Engineer ....... erm, says another ex-Engineer!!!! I was crying my eyes out imagining the scene unfolding as it munched it's way through the contents of the cockpit!!!! Brilliant! Cheers for the site!!! H 'n' H
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Old 31st Mar 2020, 15:22
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From H 'n' H.....
Will composites have the same affinity?
Short answer; nope. Long answer; not a cat in h*ll's chance
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Old 31st Mar 2020, 15:33
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Originally Posted by taxydual View Post
Ah, and there's me thinking you were referring to the RAF Fireman who managed to do the dirty deed with a WRAF Air Stewardess during a turnround at Gan. Early '70's ISTR.
One part of me is thinking: that might be an interesting story to add to my site. Another part is thinking: would I have to put an Adult rating on the site....
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Old 31st Mar 2020, 15:46
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When the VC10s were being tested at Wisley, the rviolently attled the windows of our house in Cobham, several miles away.
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Old 31st Mar 2020, 16:34
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Originally Posted by taxydual View Post
Ah, and there's me thinking you were referring to the RAF Fireman who managed to do the dirty deed with a WRAF Air Stewardess during a turnround at Gan. Early '70's ISTR.
colloquially known on Gan as Air Loadmattresses
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Old 31st Mar 2020, 16:56
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Hello jackoniko,
I've been looking through all the posts re your query about a VC10 landing on 6594 runway.
The answer is most definitely yes as my chum Jheiminga has stated. (He runs the magnificent vc10.net website which is the definitive answer to everything VC10).

I was the one who flew the Sultan of Oman's Royal Flight VC10 A4O-AB into the Brooklands Museum in July 1987. The runway gets shorter every time I'm asked to tell the tale about how long the Brooklands runway actually was!
Give or take a bit for my memory lapse after some 33 years, it was betwen 3,300 ft and 3,500 ft.
As a minor digression I would add that prior to VC10s in the RAF I was a QFI flying Bulldogs. One annual task that came my way three years running was the training of a student to represent our squadron in the annual Spot Landing competition. We won it each year. At Brooklands we were ultra light with minimal fuel, having only flown from Heathrow via Lasham and Farnborough that day and had just a couple of pax on board, so we were virtually empty.
We had the lines painted the week before and the aim was to Spot-Land our touch down between the two. In the event the rear bogies straddled the first line and, using full reverse thrust with relatively light braking, we actually had to put power on again reach the turn off taxiway in a dignified way at the far end of the runway.
The Byfleet Council had kindly cut down a few trees immediately at the threshold of the runway for our landing from south to north over the M25, the horribly brown-painted electricity pylons which were very difficult to see which we passed at about 600ft just to the south of the airfield. Contrary to some texts about my exploits which I have seen, we did NOT land over the railway line from north to south nor was the M25 closed either. It was all very dignified and totally non-hairy.
The runway length required for landing any aircraft depends on many factors such as airfield elevation (this affects the ground speed over the threshold when flying at the normal approach indicated airspeed since at higher airfield elevations amsl, the G/S is higher than at sea level.). Other factors such as weight and temperature, runway slope and wind velocity all come into the equation. Peformance A landing requirements for planning a landing assume that only idle reverse thrust is used but full braking is applied. It also assumes that all the flaps speedbrakes and are working normally. However we did actually use full reverse thrust and relatively light footbraking to avoid the brakes getting hot and the tyres then going bang half an hour after shutting down which would have been embarrassing on a day when we were in the 'limelight'.
Don't ask me more tech stuff because now 15 years into retirement, my brain has now stopped. Now, how long did I say the runway was?
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Old 31st Mar 2020, 17:04
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The RAF deep maintenance for the VC10 was done at St Athan (5996ft) which presented no problems. BEagle and I landed a K2 there in 2000 and managed to turn off before the intersection which was less than 3000ft in the direction we landed. Obviously, depending on weight and temperature there would be some take off restrictions, but the Ten was designed for such runways.
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Old 31st Mar 2020, 18:18
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AFAIK the runway at Brooklands was 4380 feet long, and that is including the angled bit at the end. Without that added bit it was 3780 feet (about 1200 yards as Saint-ex mentioned) but by the time A4O-AB landed there, they could not touch down on the extreme threshold, so that probably accounts for a couple of hundred feet less as well.
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Old 31st Mar 2020, 18:22
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The Duke of Windsor's body was flown from Paris to RAF Benson (then RW20, 6000') in June 1972 in a VC10.

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Old 31st Mar 2020, 19:28
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Originally Posted by Dan Winterland View Post
The RAF deep maintenance for the VC10 was done at St Athan (5996ft) which presented no problems. BEagle and I landed a K2 there in 2000 and managed to turn off before the intersection which was less than 3000ft in the direction we landed. Obviously, depending on weight and temperature there would be some take off restrictions, but the Ten was designed for such runways.
Indeed we did, Dan! It was when we took ZA144 on its last flight to be scrapped. I seem to recall that there was some limitation on the southern taxiway, so a short landing was preferable. Your prompt spoilers, idle then full reverse certainly helped us to stop - whilst I was getting drenched in some water which had gathered in the roof panel or whatever!

A 20 min flight, followed by a slow trip home in an uncomfortable white van along the M4 via Swindon.... I recall we discussed the opportunities which biz jet flying might offer?
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Old 31st Mar 2020, 19:36
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It was when we took ZA144 on its last flight to be scrapped
So if you had porked it up, you’d have saved the scrap merchant a job! 👍🏻
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Old 31st Mar 2020, 19:41
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Originally Posted by Jhieminga View Post
One part of me is thinking: that might be an interesting story to add to my site. Another part is thinking: would I have to put an Adult rating on the site....
I was asked to pop and stow the intake blanks in the forward hold, so dropped down the hatch in galley, stowed them and popped back up to find myself between the legs of the attractive air loadmasters who was standing astride the hatch, much to the amusement of the other guys who she was making drinks for.. a subtle cough and a bright red young lady moved.
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Old 31st Mar 2020, 20:57
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Know little about the aircraft. Would imagine it would be a handful (footfull?) with both out on one side. Anyone have any experience in training or line flying with that?
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Old 31st Mar 2020, 21:09
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Engines inboard at the tail. I seriously doubt assymetric was anything like as bad as Albert on 2!

Hell I doubt it was as bad as a Jetstream on 1!
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Old 31st Mar 2020, 21:19
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Shame they never stuck a couple of RB211’s or similar on the backend as an update.
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Old 31st Mar 2020, 21:24
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Originally Posted by Jackonicko View Post
Could a VC10 (C1) use a 6,594 ft runway at all?

What limitations would be imposed?
Yes, I have. Good example Exeter is 2037m (I think it was a bit shorter when I landed my VC10 on it), We took off empty and went up like a love-sick angel. How much runway was needed was calculated from the ODM (Operating Data Manual).
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Old 31st Mar 2020, 22:00
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Looking at that plan of Brooklands it must have been quite interesting driving along the Woking road when a VC10 was getting airborne.
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Old 31st Mar 2020, 22:07
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Originally Posted by sharpend View Post
Yes, I have. Good example Exeter is 2037m (I think it was a bit shorter when I landed my VC10 on it), We took off empty and went up like a love-sick angel. How much runway was needed was calculated from the ODM (Operating Data Manual).
Presumably faster than a homesick angel!

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