COVID and the Military
Things have moved on apace, it's easy to forget that a couple of weeks ago we were all congregating, brushing shoulders in supermarkets that had shelves fully stocked etc. So it's a bit out of order to claim that folk who were out of the country (could also be on business or holidays longer than 2 weeks) should have known what was to come. Even governments with their scientific advisors didn't really know that a few weeks ago and if they did, most weren't being fully open about it, so go easy on those poor folk that were away when it started to ramp up. Many may also not have had the financial flexibility to change their travel plans.
Bringing 200 people who could be infected by 2 people on a flight adds to NHS. Where as keeping them where ever they are isolated / safe and providing them with funds to see it out limits potential spread. China worried about people bringing it back in now in flights from Europe.
I have zero criticism of what people have done on holiday, it is their choice but asking them to stay away and providing support in doing so is a probably more realistic option. Some will complain poor FiFi the cat will be stuck in kennels for a month longer. In the whole scheme of things bringing people back into a country where the virus is still growing does not make a lot of sense.
I don't disagree as that is a reasonable position. Rather than spending significant amounts of money and potentially infecting people on a flight back then "stay put" in the short term, aided by Embassy personnel in country seems also realistic position.
Bringing 200 people who could be infected by 2 people on a flight adds to NHS. Where as keeping them where ever they are isolated / safe and providing them with funds to see it out limits potential spread. China worried about people bringing it back in now in flights from Europe.
I have zero criticism of what people have done on holiday, it is their choice but asking them to stay away and providing support in doing so is a probably more realistic option. Some will complain poor FiFi the cat will be stuck in kennels for a month longer. In the whole scheme of things bringing people back into a country where the virus is still growing does not make a lot of sense.
Bringing 200 people who could be infected by 2 people on a flight adds to NHS. Where as keeping them where ever they are isolated / safe and providing them with funds to see it out limits potential spread. China worried about people bringing it back in now in flights from Europe.
I have zero criticism of what people have done on holiday, it is their choice but asking them to stay away and providing support in doing so is a probably more realistic option. Some will complain poor FiFi the cat will be stuck in kennels for a month longer. In the whole scheme of things bringing people back into a country where the virus is still growing does not make a lot of sense.
Of course testing of individuals prior to repatriation would be a good idea so that no-one suspected of being infected got on board but then the tests don't seem to be that effective (~75%) but as long as anyone returning went into strict self-isolation for the minimum necessary period, I'm not sure it would be so difficult. BA are still flying, as are Qantas and a few others and I'm sure they've completed their due diligence so I guess it's up to them, not a bunch of bored keyboard warriors.
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Following your train of thought we should also leave those cruise ships offshore to deal with their on board pandemic's problem alone correct!?
Looks like the USN have now lost operational capability of the USS Reagan and the USS Theodore Roosevelt.due to Covid19 infection on board. Steaming for port. Let's hope nobody fancies invading Taiwan.
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Pandemic declared by WHO on 12 March 2020 following major world wide disruption.
29 March UK Govt having to 'rescue' people still on their jollies
Last 3 days of March significant resources being used and deflected from vital work at home.
It is unlikely we will ever know if there are additional casualties as a result of such selfish actions in the last month
29 March UK Govt having to 'rescue' people still on their jollies
Last 3 days of March significant resources being used and deflected from vital work at home.
It is unlikely we will ever know if there are additional casualties as a result of such selfish actions in the last month
Not everybody has been selfish, some people have been left stranded despite their best effort to get home quite some time ago...
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/...h-15167883.php
Exclusive: Captain of aircraft carrier with growing coronavirus outbreak pleads for help from Navy
The captain of a nuclear aircraft carrier with more than 100 sailors infected with the coronavirus pleaded Monday with U.S. Navy officials for resources to allow isolation of his entire crew and avoid possible deaths in a situation he described as quickly deteriorating.........
Exclusive: Captain of aircraft carrier with growing coronavirus outbreak pleads for help from Navy
The captain of a nuclear aircraft carrier with more than 100 sailors infected with the coronavirus pleaded Monday with U.S. Navy officials for resources to allow isolation of his entire crew and avoid possible deaths in a situation he described as quickly deteriorating.........
Given the tight crew space allocation on military ships, any CoV infection will spread rapidly. So these ships are crippled.
Meanwhile, the Navy's 2 hospital ships have been sent to help NYC and San Diego. Maybe that will be reconsidered.
Meanwhile, the Navy's 2 hospital ships have been sent to help NYC and San Diego. Maybe that will be reconsidered.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
https://www.defensenews.com/news/cor...ier-roosevelt/
Pacific Fleet Commander outlines plans for containing outbreak on carrier Roosevelt
Hours after a leaked letter from the Commanding Officer of the embattled carrier Theodore Roosevelt pleading for more support from the Navy leaked to the public, the head of U.S. Pacific Fleet told reporters he is working as fast as he can to get a plan in place to rotate sailors off the ship.
In the letter, Capt. Brett Crozier said he needed to get the bulk of the crew off the ship and into quarantine on Guam, where the carrier pulled this weekend, arguing that it would be impossible to contain the spread otherwise. “Sailors do not need to die,” Crozier wrote in the letter. “If we do not act now, we are failing to properly take care of our most trusted asset — our Sailors.”
But in remarks Tuesday evening Pacific Fleet Commander Adm. John Aquilino told reporters on a conference call that he has to balance the security and safety of the carrier with measures to protect the crew.
“Some people want to compare a cruise liner to a ship, let me tell you there are no comparisons,” Aquilino said, making reference to the Diamond Princess cruise liner outbreak, an incident cited by Crozier in his letter. “There are requirements that I have to protect that ship. I need to be able to run the reactors, fight fires, do damage control, feed the crew that’s aboard: All those things are a requirement. And the team that’s aboard is working through how to do that while at the same time executing our approach to delivering fully healthy and COVID-free sailors.”
As for Crozier’s request to pull the bulk of the crew off the ship, Aquilino said the Navy is working the request, and is in contact with Guam’s local government to secure hotel rooms for sailors. “We understand the request,” Aquilino said. "We’ve been working it in advance, we continue to work it, and I’m optimistic that the additional quarantine and isolation capacity being discussed will be delivered shortly. But there has never been an intent to take all the sailors off of that ship. If that ship needed to respond to a crisis today, it would respond.”
Of Crozier’s letter, Aquilino said he understood the CO’s concern “is associated with the pace that we get sailors off, not that we’re not going to get sailors off.”
The plan is to rotate sailors into quarantine facilities for 14 days with the aim of getting them back on the ship after they’ve tested virus free, he said.
“That is the best way, the most accurate way, to validate that a sailor does not have the disease," Aquilino said. "The flow plan allows us to take some number of sailors off – so I can get to some number that I would be comfortable with to do all the missions the ship needs – work the remaining sailors through this quarantine/isolation/test model, then clean the ship and put only healthy sailors back on.”
Of the sailors who have tested positive, they continue to exhibit only mild symptoms, Aquilino said. “I have no sailors hospitalized, I have no sailors on ventilators, I have no sailors in critical condition, no sailors in an [intensive care unit] status on Theodore Roosevelt,” he said.
Pacific Fleet Commander outlines plans for containing outbreak on carrier Roosevelt
Hours after a leaked letter from the Commanding Officer of the embattled carrier Theodore Roosevelt pleading for more support from the Navy leaked to the public, the head of U.S. Pacific Fleet told reporters he is working as fast as he can to get a plan in place to rotate sailors off the ship.
In the letter, Capt. Brett Crozier said he needed to get the bulk of the crew off the ship and into quarantine on Guam, where the carrier pulled this weekend, arguing that it would be impossible to contain the spread otherwise. “Sailors do not need to die,” Crozier wrote in the letter. “If we do not act now, we are failing to properly take care of our most trusted asset — our Sailors.”
But in remarks Tuesday evening Pacific Fleet Commander Adm. John Aquilino told reporters on a conference call that he has to balance the security and safety of the carrier with measures to protect the crew.
“Some people want to compare a cruise liner to a ship, let me tell you there are no comparisons,” Aquilino said, making reference to the Diamond Princess cruise liner outbreak, an incident cited by Crozier in his letter. “There are requirements that I have to protect that ship. I need to be able to run the reactors, fight fires, do damage control, feed the crew that’s aboard: All those things are a requirement. And the team that’s aboard is working through how to do that while at the same time executing our approach to delivering fully healthy and COVID-free sailors.”
As for Crozier’s request to pull the bulk of the crew off the ship, Aquilino said the Navy is working the request, and is in contact with Guam’s local government to secure hotel rooms for sailors. “We understand the request,” Aquilino said. "We’ve been working it in advance, we continue to work it, and I’m optimistic that the additional quarantine and isolation capacity being discussed will be delivered shortly. But there has never been an intent to take all the sailors off of that ship. If that ship needed to respond to a crisis today, it would respond.”
Of Crozier’s letter, Aquilino said he understood the CO’s concern “is associated with the pace that we get sailors off, not that we’re not going to get sailors off.”
The plan is to rotate sailors into quarantine facilities for 14 days with the aim of getting them back on the ship after they’ve tested virus free, he said.
“That is the best way, the most accurate way, to validate that a sailor does not have the disease," Aquilino said. "The flow plan allows us to take some number of sailors off – so I can get to some number that I would be comfortable with to do all the missions the ship needs – work the remaining sailors through this quarantine/isolation/test model, then clean the ship and put only healthy sailors back on.”
Of the sailors who have tested positive, they continue to exhibit only mild symptoms, Aquilino said. “I have no sailors hospitalized, I have no sailors on ventilators, I have no sailors in critical condition, no sailors in an [intensive care unit] status on Theodore Roosevelt,” he said.
Don't make me laugh!! BA are doing nowt about checking who is getting on their aircraft. And neither Heathrow or Gatwick are checking incoming passengers. I know that from personal experience i.e.very recent experience of BA at Heathrow and Gatwick!
https://www.defensenews.com/news/cor...ier-roosevelt/
Of Crozier’s letter, Aquilino said he understood the CO’s concern “is associated with the pace that we get sailors off, not that we’re not going to get sailors off.”
The plan is to rotate sailors into quarantine facilities for 14 days with the aim of getting them back on the ship after they’ve tested virus free, he said.
Of Crozier’s letter, Aquilino said he understood the CO’s concern “is associated with the pace that we get sailors off, not that we’re not going to get sailors off.”
The plan is to rotate sailors into quarantine facilities for 14 days with the aim of getting them back on the ship after they’ve tested virus free, he said.
Me too! Nothing at Heathrow when we came through last week, but then that's nothing to do with the airline is it, that's the airport and Border services, under control of the Govt.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
It is but mere speculation on my part but think it is likely that someones career may hit the buffers because in the eyes of some he did not follow chain of command and his letter was published in the press. Hopefully it is not the case.
The Navy is expected to announce it has relieved the captain who sounded the alarm about an outbreak of COVID-19 aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt, according to two U.S. officials. Capt. Brett Crozier, who commands the Roosevelt, an aircraft carrier with a crew of nearly 5,000, will be relieved of his command, but keep his rank and remain in the Navy.......
The move is expected to be announced in a briefing by Acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modly Thursday evening. The official reason for Crozier's relief of duty is a loss of trust and confidence, according to the officials who spoke to NBC News.....
The Navy is expected to announce it has relieved the captain who sounded the alarm about an outbreak of COVID-19 aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt, according to two U.S. officials. Capt. Brett Crozier, who commands the Roosevelt, an aircraft carrier with a crew of nearly 5,000, will be relieved of his command, but keep his rank and remain in the Navy.......
The move is expected to be announced in a briefing by Acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modly Thursday evening. The official reason for Crozier's relief of duty is a loss of trust and confidence, according to the officials who spoke to NBC News.....
The Navy is expected to announce it has relieved the captain who sounded the alarm about an outbreak of COVID-19 aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt, according to two U.S. officials. Capt. Brett Crozier, who commands the Roosevelt, an aircraft carrier with a crew of nearly 5,000, will be relieved of his command, but keep his rank and remain in the Navy.......
The move is expected to be announced in a briefing by Acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modly Thursday evening. The official reason for Crozier's relief of duty is a loss of trust and confidence, according to the officials who spoke to NBC News.....
I'd not be surprised to see a Trump tweet on this shortly, it seems dumb to dump a commander who fights for his people.
Well written article on the BBC news pages explaining why it is such a problem ... essentially .. no-one has a magic wand !!
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52093009
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52093009
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They have sacked the Captain of the Roosevelt for doing what a good captain should,looking after his men.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coron...nd/ar-BB126S3v
Washington — The captain of an aircraft carrier hit by the coronavirus was relieved of his command by the Navy on Thursday for going outside the chain of command and circulating a memo pleading for help from Washington, one which quickly became public.
Acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modly said he relieved Captain Brett Crozier of command of the USS Theodore Roosevelt after losing confidence in his ability to lead under the stress of dealing with the viral outbreak.
"Command is a sacred trust that must be continually earned," Modly said at a news conference at the Pentagon. "As I learned more about the events of the past week onboard the Teddy Roosevelt ... I could reach no other conclusion than Captain Crozier had allowed the complexity of his challenge with the COVID breakout on the ship to overwhelm his ability to act professionally, when acting professionally was what was needed most at the time."
Acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modly said he relieved Captain Brett Crozier of command of the USS Theodore Roosevelt after losing confidence in his ability to lead under the stress of dealing with the viral outbreak.
"Command is a sacred trust that must be continually earned," Modly said at a news conference at the Pentagon. "As I learned more about the events of the past week onboard the Teddy Roosevelt ... I could reach no other conclusion than Captain Crozier had allowed the complexity of his challenge with the COVID breakout on the ship to overwhelm his ability to act professionally, when acting professionally was what was needed most at the time."