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Old 27th Mar 2020, 10:50
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Originally Posted by Could be the last? View Post
Imagine if we still had Wroughton, Halton, Derriford, Haslar, Ely, Nocton.....
If I may - please delete "Derriford" and insert "Stonehouse". RNH Chatham too far back in time and most of the many other RNHs too far back and too far away.

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Old 27th Mar 2020, 11:39
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I expect the Navy will sail a ship up the Thames to show they're TOPP. Or a submarine.

(TOPP isn't an abbreviation but a quotation from Nigel Molesworth, in case anyone is scratching their head)
Two carriers to be used as hospitals?

Liverpool and Edinburgh maybe?
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Old 27th Mar 2020, 11:51
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Wasn't one of the problems the air on the cruise ships was recirculated, one would imagine a carrier would when locked down recirc the air as well.. possible not the best place to be.
Must be plenty or recently closed airfields with hangarage that could be used or major venues.
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Old 27th Mar 2020, 12:30
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Could use the USS Teddy Roosevelt as a test case there. currently sailing round in circles off Guam full of sailors with corona virus having been in Vietnam 2 weeks ago

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Old 27th Mar 2020, 12:46
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I have no doubt that for a few £bn, BAe would be willing to attempt to turn the carriers into hospital ships by the end of next year.
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Old 27th Mar 2020, 13:04
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"Did no-one think of re-opening the 'contingency' hospital at Little Rissington?"

The locals would complain like they did about second home owners.
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Old 27th Mar 2020, 14:24
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This looks like some good joined-up thinking going on somewhere; field hospital next to an airport!

The 'truckies' are going to love it flying in and out of LCY all day and it is not exactly bad PR for the RAF is it?
Similarly a hub and spoke set up at BHX with 'truckies' and 'SH' - nothing to criticise here!

It's a good start, I guess 'oop north' will be next....
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Old 27th Mar 2020, 14:41
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Rissy demolished' for housing'.
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Old 27th Mar 2020, 15:32
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Actually not big enough and more importantly no staff to man them.
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Old 27th Mar 2020, 15:35
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This looks like some good joined-up thinking going on somewhere; field hospital next to an airport!
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Old 27th Mar 2020, 23:46
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Originally Posted by cliver029 View Post
Could use the USS Teddy Roosevelt as a test case there. currently sailing round in circles off Guam full of sailors with corona virus having been in Vietnam 2 weeks ago
USN not been paying attention to the news headlines? To be fair though, Iím not sure where else they might have been better off making a port call. CVD-19 seems to be pretty much everywhere
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Old 28th Mar 2020, 04:43
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27 March

New Measures To Support Battle Against Coronavirus In Scotland
The military has stepped up its work in Scotland as part of the ongoing UK Government response to coronavirus.

From today, three RAF Puma helicopters will be stationed at Kinloss Barracks in Moray. The Pumas will work closely with a Chinook and a Wildcat helicopter based at RAF Leeming, North Yorkshire, to meet any requests for assistance from NHS boards and trusts across Scotland and Northern England.

A second helicopter facility will cover the Midlands and Southern England working out of The Aviation Task Force Headquarters at RAF Benson in Oxfordshire. Chinook and Wildcat helicopters normally based at RAF Odiham and RNAS Yeovilton respectively will support the Southern areas.

The helicopter facilities have been set up to support medical transports across Scotland and the rest of the UK. The new task force will also be available for general support such as moving equipment and personnel across the wider UK. ........
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Old 28th Mar 2020, 07:22
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As I understand it Coronavirus cases are not time critical - you suffer for a couple of weeks (according to a friend who has it right now) - emergency evacuation by helicopter is very unlikely to be needed

And why would you risk infecting a helicopter that costs millions and its highly trained crew when a £20k ambulance will do the job just as well?

still I guess the PR folk have to do something....
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Old 28th Mar 2020, 09:22
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
As I understand it Coronavirus cases are not time critical - you suffer for a couple of weeks (according to a friend who has it right now) - emergency evacuation by helicopter is very unlikely to be needed

And why would you risk infecting a helicopter that costs millions and its highly trained crew when a £20k ambulance will do the job just as well?

still I guess the PR folk have to do something....
Perhaps they know more about it than you do?
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Old 28th Mar 2020, 10:20
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Perhaps they know more about it than you do?
Really? Everyone is making it up as they go along. Do you think 'senior' people have any more idea than the rest of us? If they 'know more' we wouldn't be where we are now.
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Old 28th Mar 2020, 12:22
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Really? Everyone is making it up as they go along. Do you think 'senior' people have any more idea than the rest of us? If they 'know more' we wouldn't be where we are now.
What is a universal truth, is that anyone 'senior' will never be short of subordinates who are absolutely certain they know more and could easily do better.

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Old 28th Mar 2020, 12:32
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CG,

Until it goes wrong and then you can't find them!

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Old 28th Mar 2020, 12:36
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
What is a universal truth, is that anyone 'senior' will never be short of subordinates who are absolutely certain they know more and could easily do better.

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That's the root of progress. In this case, however,
​​you are choosing to select sustained, passed down experience, taught and learned, against the current CV-19 novel reality. They are not the same thing. But you made your point; so made mine.

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CG,

Until it goes wrong and then you can't find them!

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How true

Success has many fathers - failure is an orphan

Having said all that. Some bugger has to have a go. And as we stand many of those having a go probably know they will very likely be giving their lives for us all. So I salute them as they walk slowly into their future.
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Old 28th Mar 2020, 14:19
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
As I understand it Coronavirus cases are not time critical - you suffer for a couple of weeks (according to a friend who has it right now) - emergency evacuation by helicopter is very unlikely to be needed

And why would you risk infecting a helicopter that costs millions and its highly trained crew when a £20k ambulance will do the job just as well?
I don't expect these are intending to be used for what your thinking, more likely its to facilitate quicker evacuation of those that are to be moved to the large temp facilities being setup around the country for the short time they have left to free up local NHS ICU's for those that are deemed to have a greater chance of recovery.
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Old 28th Mar 2020, 17:30
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I think we are getting well away from reality. The Nightingale is needed because London is getting the surge. Modelling is an educated guess but suggests a massive influx in London needing this extra capacity. As has been said, patients deteriorate slowly, there is no need for urgent transfer, and the use of aircraft is pure posturing

I am very pleased that the UK is doing something, albeit far too late. It boosts morale to see lots of soldiers moving boxes, although I note the boxes have ordinary surgical masks that offer no protection. Meantime hospitals already getting patients which are full of aerosol-ed virus and where the doctors and nurses are themselves at risk of infection STILL await the promised deliveries of PPE. We have been waiting over a week. We had just one delivery.....of ordinary surgical masks. I like many others have been buying up stock from hardware shops etc. Absenteeism due to isolation or actual disease is massive and means we cant even staff the volume of work we normally do. We should be prioritizing protection for the dwindling number of doctors and nurses who have patients now before moving PPE to a building that wont be receiving for days
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