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USAF orders 80 new F-15X's

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Old 1st Feb 2020, 18:01
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I was thinking about aircraft availability TBH - back in 2018 the Luftwaffe only had 10 mission ready Typhoons at one point.

That F-15 pilot might be up there for days waiting for them......................
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
I was thinking about aircraft availability TBH - back in 2018 the Luftwaffe only had 10 mission ready Typhoons at one point.

That F-15 pilot might be up there for days waiting for them......................
*scratches head* Are you expecting the USAF to go up against the Luftwaffe??

Although in a slightly more likely NATO Art V scenario, your point neatly illustrates why the US needs to be able to put a lot of missiles in the air!!
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I hear the new call sign of these F15s is bullet catcher.

Transit contested airspace, baiting the other guy to come get you, hoping the F22/F35 get to them first. That’s not to say the F15 isn’t still a good platform, but the whole concept relies on the F15 enticing bad guys to come take a pot shot at them.
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Originally Posted by Easy Street
*scratches head* Are you expecting the USAF to go up against the Luftwaffe??

Although in a slightly more likely NATO Art V scenario, your point neatly illustrates why the US needs to be able to put a lot of missiles in the air!!
It was an illustration - I couldn't find any figures for availability of either the Russians or the Chinese oddly enough.
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
It was an illustration - I couldn't find any figures for availability of either the Russians or the Chinese oddly enough.
So why did you comment on the likely number of targets that the USAF might need to face? In the absence of open source statistics I would feel very confident in making an assumption that (especially) China would be able to field substantially more than 22 aircraft at a time and place of its choosing.
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It was a humorous aside........................ but since you bring the question up how many aircraft does anyone expect to see coming over the horizon in one go - or in a couple of hours?

the PLA have around around 120 H-6's for example - so if they all turn up at once..........
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Asturias56, Easy Street, the issue is not the number of aircraft, but the total threat which has to be managed.

There may only be one TU 95 Bear, but with sixteen long-range, independently targeted, standoff cruise missiles, that aircraft demands a different approach.

So too the context of the conflict; conventional attrition warfare - WW2, a kill rate of 15% could win, in a nuclear conflict then anything less than 100% could be a lost cause; and then all scenarios in between.

Then add the expected (theoretical) effectiveness of the defence, add a bit for practicality, and some more just incase you are wrong, or opposing jamming systems improve, etc.

Also consider the countries involved, technology, political constraint; Vietnam, Middle East, - superiority in any area could be offset by any other; and then who assesses victory - those who define the war crimes.

Are the F15 missiles air to air or air to ground. Could advancing technology enable a dual use missile, air or ground.
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Old 2nd Feb 2020, 18:54
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Good point Alf...................
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Old 3rd Feb 2020, 16:30
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I love the fact that the Eagle will be around for many more years to come!

The question I have is, will the X models be made mostly of composite materials, like "true" 4.5 generation fighters, or will the wings and fuselage continue to be aluminium?
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Originally Posted by West Coast
I hear the new call sign of these F15s is bullet catcher.

Transit contested airspace, baiting the other guy to come get you, hoping the F22/F35 get to them first. That’s not to say the F15 isn’t still a good platform, but the whole concept relies on the F15 enticing bad guys to come take a pot shot at them.
Would be interesting to see the look on the bad guys face when he realises there are 22 warheads bearing down on him.
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AS discussed above I don't think the idea is to let rip the whole lot at one guy...
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