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More Typhoon-bashing ammunition for Rafale fans....

Old 31st Jan 2020, 22:32
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Originally Posted by VictorGolf View Post
I don't know if I dare ask this as a lowly PPL but where does the Gripen fit in to this scenario,if at all?
One would guess it offers a very similar capability to Typhoon and Rafale - HMS with AIM-9X, AMRAAM and Meteor.

For those who have fought it in either of those platforms, how much energy does it maintain compared to Typhoon or Rafale? I presume the single engine has an effect?
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Old 3rd Feb 2020, 23:00
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You need to remember that Gripen was designed from the start as a low maintenance point defence platform for Sweden and neighbouring Scandinavian nations. Does it need an expiditionary capability to strike high value targets 1000 miles away after fighting its way in? No. Does it require the ability to fight air to air, land on damaged airstrips or roads and be turned, rearmed and repaired by TWO people and return to the fight? Yes.

Gripen is an easy to maintain and arm, capable air to air platform. It is about numbers over time, not being able to do everything. For that they are brilliant, they can put up large numbers of jets in quick succession, even if they are fuel limited.

In answer to your question- fighting a Gripen WVR in a Typhoon or Rafale normally returns the latter and more powerful jets in favour. But remember the mission requirement for each aircraft and what it was designed to do. Also never forget that all the underdog in a fight needs is a single mistake from the fighter that has everything to lose. I have been shot by Gripen and deserved it, it is a very capable platform.

Edit: Nice to get the thread back to some debate on different platforms!

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Old 4th Feb 2020, 00:18
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Thank you, Mr Vice, for a post worthy of a professional military aviator.
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Old 4th Feb 2020, 15:10
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Originally Posted by Mr. Vice View Post
You need to remember that Gripen was designed from the start as a low maintenance point defence platform for Sweden and neighbouring Scandinavian nations. Does it need an expiditionary capability to strike high value targets 1000 miles away after fighting its way in? No. Does it require the ability to fight air to air, land on damaged airstrips or roads and be turned, rearmed and repaired by TWO people and return to the fight? Yes.

Gripen is an easy to maintain and arm, capable air to air platform. It is about numbers over time, not being able to do everything. For that they are brilliant, they can put up large numbers of jets in quick succession, even if they are fuel limited.

In answer to your question- fighting a Gripen WVR in a Typhoon or Rafale normally returns the latter and more powerful jets in favour. But remember the mission requirement for each aircraft and what it was designed to do. Also never forget that all the underdog in a fight needs is a single mistake from the fighter that has everything to lose. I have been shot by Gripen and deserved it, it is a very capable platform.

Edit: Nice to get the thread back to some debate on different platforms!

Mr Vice
Thank you, Mr. Vice. I appreciate you taking the time to respond!

The Gripen is a cracking little jet, it has always impressed me from the ground. Hopefully I'll get to see it from the other perspective soon.
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Old 5th Feb 2020, 01:40
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Originally Posted by Mr. Vice View Post
You need to remember that Gripen was designed from the start as a low maintenance point defence platform for Sweden and neighbouring Scandinavian nations. Does it need an expiditionary capability to strike high value targets 1000 miles away after fighting its way in? No. Does it require the ability to fight air to air, land on damaged airstrips or roads and be turned, rearmed and repaired by TWO people and return to the fight? Yes.

Gripen is an easy to maintain and arm, capable air to air platform. It is about numbers over time, not being able to do everything. For that they are brilliant, they can put up large numbers of jets in quick succession, even if they are fuel limited.

In answer to your question- fighting a Gripen WVR in a Typhoon or Rafale normally returns the latter and more powerful jets in favour. But remember the mission requirement for each aircraft and what it was designed to do. Also never forget that all the underdog in a fight needs is a single mistake from the fighter that has everything to lose. I have been shot by Gripen and deserved it, it is a very capable platform.

Edit: Nice to get the thread back to some debate on different platforms!

Mr Vice
Adding to this:

Also consider that Gripen was just part of the Swedish Air Defence system. The Swedes were at the forefront of developing a data linked air defence. Over home territory there would have been an advantage to the home side.

Especially considering the opposition they were expecting to meet.
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Old 5th Feb 2020, 10:39
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I always thought that the Gripen party trick was that, while you were hassling with one Gripen, it passed all your co-ords to the other one over there that you hadn't seen, which promptly shot you.
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