The Military Division of the New Year Honours 2020
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[QUOTE=Bob Viking;10651696]
I find the last sentence of your post odd. Are you saying that officers lack courage?
Colleague does have a sense of humour and we think it was evident when he spoke about the incident
Colleague does have a sense of humour and we think it was evident when he spoke about the incident
Picking up on previous comments with regards to citations, I would like to think that some may be an interesting read and outline the specifics of what personnel have done and why they have received their award! However, there seems to be a distinct lack of any documentation on the MoD web site or elsewhere on the web. Is there a ‘special place’ where they can be accessed or is there a requirement to submit a FOI request to get a read?
Awards are not presents really but a way to empower without having to spend money - or at least I argue that's the most logical thing for them to be. In reality they are about politics of course.
Picking up on previous comments with regards to citations, I would like to think that some may be an interesting read and outline the specifics of what personnel have done and why they have received their award! However, there seems to be a distinct lack of any documentation on the MoD web site or elsewhere on the web. Is there a ‘special place’ where they can be accessed or is there a requirement to submit a FOI request to get a read?
It didn’t translate very well to text, I’m afraid.
Last edited by Easy Street; 2nd Jan 2020 at 07:59.
See JSP761 paras 6.12 to 6.18. In summary: for operational awards and non-operational gallantry or bravery awards including AFCs (currently published in spring and autumn) some information may be released through the press. For the Birthday and New Year lists, nothing will be provided. FOI legislation does not apply as the information is treated as ‘personal’. Even the recipient may be refused sight of the full recommendation under an exemption from the Data Protection Act (recipients only receive a drastically shortened citation). You may be able to get hold of recommendations once they have been released to the National Archives but this will obviously be years after the event. The only exceptions to all this are the VC and GC, for which full citations will be published.
It didn’t translate very well to text, I’m afraid.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Haberfield
there's at least one GC for whom the citation has not been released...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Haberfield
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Jack
** Correct in 1974
Also, I thought the LS&GCM replaced good conduct stripes?
Not so, the RAF LS&GC has been in existence since the formation of the RAF. When I was dealing I once had one, a George V issue, named to a Serjeant (sic) Major, RAF. That must have been a very early award as that rank was superseded by Warrant Officer in the first year or two of the RAF's existence.
Curious to know more about superseding in the RAF.
Is there chapter and verse please?
[In the Great War there was institutional confusion re, warrant officer/ sergeant major, in that warrant officer class I [from May 1915] was the overarching RANK of many APPOINTMENTS titled sergeant major. Records, medal inscriptions, and headstones flip wildly from one to the other.]