Secret RAF flights in the UK
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That doesn't happen so clearly secrecy works. We're all tax payers as citizens, but thankfully most of us would prefer that those putting their skin in the game weren't put at risk by the enemy knowing how they conduct their business.
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I believe that the Liverpool police helicopter was targeted on the ground, before being moved to a more secure hangarage.
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It's also reasonable to suspect they are prepared to commit harm to anybody involved in their investigation - or apprehension - to evade the law and avoid justice, to maximise their likelihood of success.
The slightest insight or confirmation in to how the information against them is collected, could change the way in which they operate, which may prevent those on the frontline of preventing atrocities from having the information they require to safely do their job - this is why MI5, MI6, GCHQ, counter terrorist specialist Police and other organisations
don't talk about the details of their work. Knowledge is power - information about numbers, intent, weapons, location, etc. can all be collected via the assets being discussed. It's better to let the enemy figure it out on their own.We sleep comfortably in our beds at night thanks to the incredible men and women in our Police, Security Services and Armed Forces who keep us safe from bad people. How about let's not betray them by talking about their most sensitive kit?
Well, I wouldn't put much faith in the Evening Standard article which cannot distinguish between MI 5 and MI 6, and can't even correctly identify their respective HQs, which is a matter of public record.
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The discussion, so far has not included capabilities, only that sophisticated surveillance is being conducted by the security services of it's own population many of whom are ignorant of it happening. The bad guys are well aware that it happens and being aware have probably taken measures to limit their exposure.
Anyone who watches a TV drama, or reads the paper or a crime novel knows a lot about some (but not all) techniques used by the forces of law and order. Remember one of the pieces of evidence that located Osama Bin laden was the fact his house DIDN'T have an internet connection. Even people like Extinction Rebellion now commonly use "burner" phones and VPN
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On the Russians, I believe their Shetland tug would pick up Lada spares.
And not just the Russians, the German Navy would raid Currys in Elgin and clear them of cylinder vacuums. They even brought their own crew bus.
And not just the Russians, the German Navy would raid Currys in Elgin and clear them of cylinder vacuums. They even brought their own crew bus.
Just for the record, getting back on topic, the title of this thread is actually incorrect, as those Islanders are operated by the Army, not the RAF. The Brigadier mentioned is of course in the Army and the only mention of the RAF in the Mail article is that they operate from RAF Northolt.
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Just for the record, getting back on topic, the title of this thread is actually incorrect, as those Islanders are operated by the Army, not the RAF. The Brigadier mentioned is of course in the Army and the only mention of the RAF in the Mail article is that they operate from RAF Northolt.
https://www.janes.com/article/87600/...rom-aac-to-raf
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Just for the record, getting back on topic, the title of this thread is actually incorrect, as those Islanders are operated by the Army, not the RAF. The Brigadier mentioned is of course in the Army and the only mention of the RAF in the Mail article is that they operate from RAF Northolt.
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Just for the record, getting back on topic, the title of this thread is actually incorrect, as those Islanders are operated by the Army, not the RAF. The Brigadier mentioned is of course in the Army and the only mention of the RAF in the Mail article is that they operate from RAF Northolt.
The Northolt Station Flight Islanders were replaced by civilian contractor Piper Navajos some years ago. Their capabilities are niche and extremely appropriate and relevant for the world today. Happy to see and hear them droning over west London.
And as for those who say; "Those who know are those who need to know - no-one else." I say rubbish. That is worthy of North Korea or East Germany or any other closed, repressive and oppressive Police state. The assets being discussed here are NOT some 1984 Big Brother spy on the people capability, they are a niche and dedicated capability and only a small part of what the security services, GCHQ and the Home Office do to keep us safe.
And as for those who say; "Those who know are those who need to know - no-one else." I say rubbish. That is worthy of North Korea or East Germany or any other closed, repressive and oppressive Police state. The assets being discussed here are NOT some 1984 Big Brother spy on the people capability, they are a niche and dedicated capability and only a small part of what the security services, GCHQ and the Home Office do to keep us safe.
About 5 years ago an ex USMC officer who was lecturing (in a non-secret subject) at a major US Uni. told me they told their students to remember than ANYTHING you commit to writing on a PC/phone/Tablet can longer be considered secret or confidential - especially emails
Like it or not we live in a Surveillance Society - sometimes that's good and sometime's that's bad but it is what it is and there is no turning the clock back.
The only answer is to do what the SVR were apparently doing in Moscow - buying a lot of steam driven typewriters................. but then maybe they were on special..........
Like it or not we live in a Surveillance Society - sometimes that's good and sometime's that's bad but it is what it is and there is no turning the clock back.
The only answer is to do what the SVR were apparently doing in Moscow - buying a lot of steam driven typewriters................. but then maybe they were on special..........
They don't exactly hide them, do they? Regularly see ADSB tracks of King Air and Sentinel and to the even vaguely initiated it's pretty obvious what they're doing.
I find it comforting that there are people out there attempting to keep me safe by eavesdropping on potential "bad guys" and maybe thwarting a plot before it even gets under way.
I find it comforting that there are people out there attempting to keep me safe by eavesdropping on potential "bad guys" and maybe thwarting a plot before it even gets under way.
Bit like those cunningly disguised red letter road signs you use in the UK to for defence establishments...............
It’s a bit of a non story isn’t it? I assume GCHQ does clever monitoring of phones/emails etc to monitor/track down the bad guys and I assume that MI5 or similar do much the same on the streets so why should anyone be surprised at just another method? But then it is the Mail.
Need to know .................. !
langleybaston,
You sound like some old East German or North Korean.
You sound like some old East German or North Korean.