US to Buy Back Swiss F-5s
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US to Buy Back Swiss F-5s
Aggressor aircraft or as incentive/part eco change for new aircraft? Can’t think it anything to do with technology.....
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/bloomberg/switzerland-plans-to-send-its-old-fighter-jets-back-to-the-u-s-/45437142
Switzerland Plans to Send Its Old Fighter Jets Back to the U.S.
Bloomberg) -- The U.S. is expected to buy 22 aging fighter jets from Switzerland, a country that’s struggling to modernize its own air force.
U.S. Navy representatives and the Swiss defense procurement agency, known as Armasuisse, discussed the deal in July, an agency spokesman said by email on Sunday. The contract is expected to be signed once U.S. lawmakers approve the fiscal 2020 defense budget, he said.
President Donald Trump is seeking $718 billion in Pentagon funding for 2020, including $39.7 million for the F-5s, an aircraft first delivered to Switzerland in 1978. Nowadays, the U.S. uses the F-5 to simulate enemy planes in aerial combat training.
Switzerland has been trying to buy new warplanes for years. Voters in 2014 rejected a 3.1 billion-franc ($3.2 billion) order for Saab AB Gripen fighter jets. Switzerland now plans to spend about 6 billion francs on new fighter jets, according to SonntagsZeitung newspaper and previous Swiss media reports.
“If the Americans want to take over the scrap iron, they should do it,” Beat Flach, a Green Liberal lawmaker, told SonntagsZeitung, which reported on the planned sale on Sunday. “It’s better than having the Tigers rot in a parking lot.”
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/bloomberg/switzerland-plans-to-send-its-old-fighter-jets-back-to-the-u-s-/45437142
Switzerland Plans to Send Its Old Fighter Jets Back to the U.S.
Bloomberg) -- The U.S. is expected to buy 22 aging fighter jets from Switzerland, a country that’s struggling to modernize its own air force.
U.S. Navy representatives and the Swiss defense procurement agency, known as Armasuisse, discussed the deal in July, an agency spokesman said by email on Sunday. The contract is expected to be signed once U.S. lawmakers approve the fiscal 2020 defense budget, he said.
President Donald Trump is seeking $718 billion in Pentagon funding for 2020, including $39.7 million for the F-5s, an aircraft first delivered to Switzerland in 1978. Nowadays, the U.S. uses the F-5 to simulate enemy planes in aerial combat training.
Switzerland has been trying to buy new warplanes for years. Voters in 2014 rejected a 3.1 billion-franc ($3.2 billion) order for Saab AB Gripen fighter jets. Switzerland now plans to spend about 6 billion francs on new fighter jets, according to SonntagsZeitung newspaper and previous Swiss media reports.
“If the Americans want to take over the scrap iron, they should do it,” Beat Flach, a Green Liberal lawmaker, told SonntagsZeitung, which reported on the planned sale on Sunday. “It’s better than having the Tigers rot in a parking lot.”
The Swiss are nearly as bad as India as a country that can never come to a decision on military aircraft
They are in very poor condition, which is why the Swiss are getting rid of them. Will likely be used for spares to support Taiwan's fleet and also the US Aggressor fleet.
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they are most certainly not in poor condition. Even the Jordanian ones were pretty good. I see them almost daily coming back from sorties, landing at NAS Boca Chica. They’ll get avionics upgrades and standardized. The ROC can produce their own spares, they built most of theirs.
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they are most certainly not in poor condition. Even the Jordanian ones were pretty good. I see them almost daily coming back from sorties, landing at NAS Boca Chica. They’ll get avionics upgrades and standardized. The ROC can produce their own spares, they built most of theirs.
The ROC cannot build their own spares, which is why the US is trying to source them itself - https://www.janes.com/article/88184/...or-taiwan-f-5s
Now don't come back to me until you've done some research...
I'm minded to agree, though not sure how long the patience of our NATO allies who covered the MPA gap in particular would have lasted had a replacement not been on the horizon.
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It’s the same argument as for paying for safety.
If you think paying for a military capability is expensive - just wait till so see the cost of not having it when you need it.....
If you think paying for a military capability is expensive - just wait till so see the cost of not having it when you need it.....
The buyback of 22 F-5E/F aircraft is in 2020 DoD Budget for USN / USMC aggressor units.
"Moving on to the Navy, one unique item in today's budget materials was the inclusion of acquiring 22 F-5E/Fs Tiger IIs from the Swiss Air Force to fulfill fleet adversary support duties. The 44 F-5N/Fs that are currently flying with two US Navy and one Marine adversary squadrons came from surplus Swiss Air Force stocks. The delivery and refurbishment of those jets wrapped up roughly a decade ago and the fleet continues to age while demand for its services continue to rise."
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...budget-request
I expect that some / all will get modified to the current F-5N/F standard with updated avionics and other improved systems that the other ex-Swiss AF aircraft bought in 2006 got.
"Moving on to the Navy, one unique item in today's budget materials was the inclusion of acquiring 22 F-5E/Fs Tiger IIs from the Swiss Air Force to fulfill fleet adversary support duties. The 44 F-5N/Fs that are currently flying with two US Navy and one Marine adversary squadrons came from surplus Swiss Air Force stocks. The delivery and refurbishment of those jets wrapped up roughly a decade ago and the fleet continues to age while demand for its services continue to rise."
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...budget-request
I expect that some / all will get modified to the current F-5N/F standard with updated avionics and other improved systems that the other ex-Swiss AF aircraft bought in 2006 got.
The buyback of 22 F-5E/F aircraft is in 2020 DoD Budget for USN / USMC aggressor units.
"Moving on to the Navy, one unique item in today's budget materials was the inclusion of acquiring 22 F-5E/Fs Tiger IIs from the Swiss Air Force to fulfill fleet adversary support duties. The 44 F-5N/Fs that are currently flying with two US Navy and one Marine adversary squadrons came from surplus Swiss Air Force stocks. The delivery and refurbishment of those jets wrapped up roughly a decade ago and the fleet continues to age while demand for its services continue to rise."
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...budget-request
I expect that some / all will get modified to the current F-5N/F standard with updated avionics and other improved systems that the other ex-Swiss AF aircraft bought in 2006 got.
"Moving on to the Navy, one unique item in today's budget materials was the inclusion of acquiring 22 F-5E/Fs Tiger IIs from the Swiss Air Force to fulfill fleet adversary support duties. The 44 F-5N/Fs that are currently flying with two US Navy and one Marine adversary squadrons came from surplus Swiss Air Force stocks. The delivery and refurbishment of those jets wrapped up roughly a decade ago and the fleet continues to age while demand for its services continue to rise."
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...budget-request
I expect that some / all will get modified to the current F-5N/F standard with updated avionics and other improved systems that the other ex-Swiss AF aircraft bought in 2006 got.
hoss183 Switzerland is the only truly democratic country in the world, and to rag their decision not to spend money on fighter jets because it contravenes your opinion is, well, undemocratic. The wisdom of the masses more often than not supersedes an individual's or small group's wisdom (or lack thereof). It also leads to economic stability. Just look at how strong the Swiss Franc remains, despite the absence of any natural resources in that country. They're doing something right. There are more important things to spend money on than fighter jets in a country whose borders are 60 seconds of afterburner time across, and whose air force only works office hours (c.f. Ethiopian hijack intercept a couple of years or so ago).
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They are in a terrible condition. Just Google 'Swiss F-5 cracks' and/or 'Swiss F-5s grounded' - it's all there for you.
The ROC cannot build their own spares, which is why the US is trying to source them itself - https://www.janes.com/article/88184/...or-taiwan-f-5s
Now don't come back to me until you've done some research...
The ROC cannot build their own spares, which is why the US is trying to source them itself - https://www.janes.com/article/88184/...or-taiwan-f-5s
Now don't come back to me until you've done some research...
any fighter will need structural repair/inspection over its lifetime. Just because they are due for parts replacement, isn’t a function of poor mx. It is a function of use. The contractor will overhaul the aircraft. The Swiss don’t want to overhaul theirs. Like our A-10’s. Our B-1’s and EA-6B’s also have g load limits and/or altitude limits imposed due to longer than anticipated use. It doesn’t mean they’re junk, it’s use.
