Turkey looking at going into Libya against Russian mercenaries
Libya used to have a stable dictatorship which was temporarily cooperative with the West. The UK and France led the way to deposing that dictatorship, on the grounds that it threatened to slaughter the population of Benghazi. Now it is a huge mess.
The architects of this disaster have never been identified or called out, so they are probably still ensconced in senior roles making yet more dumb decisions. Don't expect a happy outcome.
The architects of this disaster have never been identified or called out, so they are probably still ensconced in senior roles making yet more dumb decisions. Don't expect a happy outcome.
Damned if they did nothing and damned for what they did. Agree it's a mess - but would suggest the mess is also primarily of the making of a number of competing Islamic and other groups who are perfectly happy butchering each others civpop and would also happily to unite to butcher any "outsiders" who tried to impose any sort of order. It's easy - and lazy - to simply blame "the west".
Also might be related to the various territorial claims people are making for the deepwater Med. There's a lot of oil & gas under there and both Libya & Turkey have an interest in doing down the Greek Cypriots & the Greeks
It is not really clear which side Trump supports, but did he not eventually decide that he rather liked Haftar/Hifter the strongman?
Who knows? Last week's "Economist" reported that the Chinese think "Trump is only a friend of Trump - a man whose self -interest is his only reliable guiding instinct"
If ya'll recall.....Barrack Obama and Hillary Clinton (President and Secretary of State respectively) made Regime change in Libya, Egypt, and Syria the cornerstone of American Foreign policy and used US Military force during the Libyan Civil War that resulting in the death of Gadaffi.
If you want to identify the UK proponents then it is your turn.....I just pointed out the American geniuses that led the way from our side.
If you want to identify the UK proponents then it is your turn.....I just pointed out the American geniuses that led the way from our side.
too many to list SAS, too many to list..................... .
Administrator
I've not followed this very closely, but I note from NutLoose's link that
:
If any of you have information on the kinds of air support that is being used, currently, that would be of interest.
Putin and Erdogan are scheduled to meet on Jan. 8.
If any of you have information on the kinds of air support that is being used, currently, that would be of interest.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Also ties into the whole Turkish/Cypriot/EU conflict on oil/gas exploration and rights in the eastern Mediterranean.
https://www.rt.com/news/478416-turke...libya-erdogan/
Erdogan sending Turkish troops to Libya ahead of Berlin peace talks
“Turkey is sending troops to Libya to ensure the stability of the UN-backed government in Tripoli, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has announced.
The move comes ahead of a Berlin summit on the security situation in the country.Ankara has already deployed forces to train troops loyal to the Government of National Accord (GNA), as part of a security cooperation agreement between the two countries.
Erdogan also said that, as part of a maritime agreement, it would no longer be possible for other states to conduct oil exploration and drilling off the coast of Libya without the approval of Ankara and Tripoli.........
https://www.rt.com/news/478416-turke...libya-erdogan/
Erdogan sending Turkish troops to Libya ahead of Berlin peace talks
“Turkey is sending troops to Libya to ensure the stability of the UN-backed government in Tripoli, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has announced.
The move comes ahead of a Berlin summit on the security situation in the country.Ankara has already deployed forces to train troops loyal to the Government of National Accord (GNA), as part of a security cooperation agreement between the two countries.
Erdogan also said that, as part of a maritime agreement, it would no longer be possible for other states to conduct oil exploration and drilling off the coast of Libya without the approval of Ankara and Tripoli.........
Last edited by ORAC; 17th Jan 2020 at 09:45.
Libya has always taken a robust view about other countries drilling in disputed waters - Tunisia & Malta especially.............
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
goes far beyond that....
https://www.petroleum-economist.com/...bya-objectives
Turkey’s dual Libya objectives
Russia and Turkey, previous backers of opposing sides in the Libya conflict, have clearly decided that—if they could jointly achieve peace in the country—both would be assured of a lasting stake there. This would be a blow to the European powers most closely associated with Libya, Italy and France, which have persistently tried and failed to bring the fighting to an end. Both countries have strong energy links with Libya which they would like to expand. Now there is a possibility that Russian and Turkish firms will put Libya’s oil and gas reserves in their sights. Russia has said in the past that it is interested in working jointly with Turkey on energy exploration and development.
For President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the link-up with Russia in pursuing peace in Libya has another huge dividend. Moscow’s involvement in the initiative is an unmistakable sign that President Vladimir Putin accepts Turkey’s maritime agreement with Libya. This creates two vast contiguous blocks of the Eastern Mediterranean, from the Turkish coast in the north to Libya in the south, with a joint maritime border between the two. The northern part, claimed by Turkey, encompasses some Greek island and parts of Cyprus’ economic exclusion zone (EEZ)......
https://www.timesofisrael.com/turkey...n-as-possible/
Turkey to start Mediterranean gas exploration ‘as soon as possible’
ANKARA, Turkey — Turkey will start exploring for gas in the eastern Mediterranean this year, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan vowed Thursday, after signing a maritime deal with Libya.
“We will start search and drilling activities as soon as possible in 2020 after issuing licenses for the areas,” Erdogan said during a two-hour speech in the capital. He added that Turkey’s seismic exploration vessel Oruc Reis would soon be deployed.
Ankara angered neighboring countries in the Mediterranean with an agreement signed with the Tripoli government in November, which claimed extensive areas of the sea for Turkey. Greece says the deal fails to take into account the island of Crete, while Turkey has already upset Cyprus by sending ships to search for oil and gas off the divided island.
Erdogan said it was “no longer legally possible” for any search and drilling activities or a pipeline without Libya or Turkey’s approval. Earlier this month, Greece, Cyprus and Israel signed a deal to construct an EastMed pipeline to ship gas to Europe, despite Turkey’s vehement opposition.......
https://www.petroleum-economist.com/...bya-objectives
Turkey’s dual Libya objectives
Russia and Turkey, previous backers of opposing sides in the Libya conflict, have clearly decided that—if they could jointly achieve peace in the country—both would be assured of a lasting stake there. This would be a blow to the European powers most closely associated with Libya, Italy and France, which have persistently tried and failed to bring the fighting to an end. Both countries have strong energy links with Libya which they would like to expand. Now there is a possibility that Russian and Turkish firms will put Libya’s oil and gas reserves in their sights. Russia has said in the past that it is interested in working jointly with Turkey on energy exploration and development.
For President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the link-up with Russia in pursuing peace in Libya has another huge dividend. Moscow’s involvement in the initiative is an unmistakable sign that President Vladimir Putin accepts Turkey’s maritime agreement with Libya. This creates two vast contiguous blocks of the Eastern Mediterranean, from the Turkish coast in the north to Libya in the south, with a joint maritime border between the two. The northern part, claimed by Turkey, encompasses some Greek island and parts of Cyprus’ economic exclusion zone (EEZ)......
https://www.timesofisrael.com/turkey...n-as-possible/
Turkey to start Mediterranean gas exploration ‘as soon as possible’
ANKARA, Turkey — Turkey will start exploring for gas in the eastern Mediterranean this year, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan vowed Thursday, after signing a maritime deal with Libya.
“We will start search and drilling activities as soon as possible in 2020 after issuing licenses for the areas,” Erdogan said during a two-hour speech in the capital. He added that Turkey’s seismic exploration vessel Oruc Reis would soon be deployed.
Ankara angered neighboring countries in the Mediterranean with an agreement signed with the Tripoli government in November, which claimed extensive areas of the sea for Turkey. Greece says the deal fails to take into account the island of Crete, while Turkey has already upset Cyprus by sending ships to search for oil and gas off the divided island.
Erdogan said it was “no longer legally possible” for any search and drilling activities or a pipeline without Libya or Turkey’s approval. Earlier this month, Greece, Cyprus and Israel signed a deal to construct an EastMed pipeline to ship gas to Europe, despite Turkey’s vehement opposition.......
lot of posturing - but there is a lot of oil & gas in the deep Med to the east
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...bels-l7wld0nfg
Turkey sends fighter jets into Libyan airspace as GNA attacks rebels
Turkey has flown F16 fighter jets over the Libyan coast as it steps up intervention in the country’s civil war.
The military authorities in Ankara said the flights were part of a training exercise. However, they took place as the Turkish-backed Government of National Accord (GNA) continued a major offensive against the rebel officer, Khalifa Haftar, and his Libyan National Army (LNA)........
As part of the offensive, jets carried out numerous attacks over the rebel-held town of Tarhouna, southeast of Tripoli, and on a rebel air base. The GNA insisted the raids were carried out by their own small force of drones and ageing Russian and Italian fighter jets and trainer aircraft.
Turkey’s deployment of F16s could have been intended to send a message after the UAE were said to have agreed to supply Marshal Haftar’s forces with an upgraded air defence system........
The flypast of F16s, which began on Friday, was militarily as well as politically significant. Military experts had questioned whether Turkey’s airforce would have the operating range to take part in the Libyan war without Nato support.
The exercises were briefly described by the Turkish military as involving Air Force Command jets from Eskisehir airbase in northwest Turkey, and the Turkish navy. A key factor, however, was that Turkish KC-135R refuelling tankers were said to have been used.........
Turkey sends fighter jets into Libyan airspace as GNA attacks rebels
Turkey has flown F16 fighter jets over the Libyan coast as it steps up intervention in the country’s civil war.
The military authorities in Ankara said the flights were part of a training exercise. However, they took place as the Turkish-backed Government of National Accord (GNA) continued a major offensive against the rebel officer, Khalifa Haftar, and his Libyan National Army (LNA)........
As part of the offensive, jets carried out numerous attacks over the rebel-held town of Tarhouna, southeast of Tripoli, and on a rebel air base. The GNA insisted the raids were carried out by their own small force of drones and ageing Russian and Italian fighter jets and trainer aircraft.
Turkey’s deployment of F16s could have been intended to send a message after the UAE were said to have agreed to supply Marshal Haftar’s forces with an upgraded air defence system........
The flypast of F16s, which began on Friday, was militarily as well as politically significant. Military experts had questioned whether Turkey’s airforce would have the operating range to take part in the Libyan war without Nato support.
The exercises were briefly described by the Turkish military as involving Air Force Command jets from Eskisehir airbase in northwest Turkey, and the Turkish navy. A key factor, however, was that Turkish KC-135R refuelling tankers were said to have been used.........
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
https://www.snafu-solomon.com/2020/0...are-being.html
Russian anti-air systems are being interdicted before they even can setup for battle...
Russian anti-air systems are being interdicted before they even can setup for battle...
Guest
Posts: n/a
Mig-29's on the ground in Libya https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-backed-forces
You're not the only one, Nutloose. A few years back when Admiral Kuznetsov was cruising home from a Syria deployment, Haftar was flown on-board for talks with the Russian defence minister. The question is, has the UN, EU, U.S.A backed the wrong horse.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-l...-idUSKBN14V1T2
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-l...-idUSKBN14V1T2
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/w...rces-j5bqcmjlz
Elite Russian mercenaries Wagner Group run out of Tripoli by Turkish forces
Russia’s elite mercenary corps, the Wagner Group, has been forced into a humiliating retreat in a victory for Turkey’s rival military adventure in Libya.
Hundreds of men were filmed driving south from the capital, Tripoli, towards the town of Bani Walid, after their local allies announced a pullback from a number of front lines. They were then said to have flown on to a rear base, taking with them artillery and other heavy weapons.
The group, run by Yevgeny Prigozhin, a close associate of President Putin, played a key role in the Syrian civil war before being sent to support the rebel Libyan National Army (LNA) of Khalifa Haftar, a Russian-backed former-army officer from the regime of Colonel Gaddafi. In December Turkey came to the aid of the UN-recognised government with military drones and mercenaries of its own — Syrian rebel veterans of that country’s own civil war.
After giving up some of their last strongholds in the south of Tripoli over the weekend, Wagner Group troops were filmed retreating through the desert. It is unclear what further part they will play in the fighting. A UN report last week revealed that the LNA had been trying to recruit a second mercenary force, run by a South African businessman, although that also withdrew from Tripoli after a row with Marshal Haftar......
The arrival of the Wagner force helped the LNA assault on Tripoli in April last year, which for a moment looked as if it might succeed. However, a new and relatively static front opened up in the southern suburbs until the Turkish intervention in late December.
Pro-GNA media claimed that 1,500 Wagner troops had fled to Bani Walid, taking artillery and other heavy weapons with them. The GNA army spokesman, Mohammed Gununu, said they had withdrawn from three military camps in southern Tripoli and the suburb of Salaheddin.
The GNA is said to be preparing an offensive against Tarhouna, the last LNA stronghold in western Libya after the al-Watiya military base to the west of Tripoli fell last week. During fighting there, at least seven Russian Pantsir anti-aircraft batteries were destroyed by Turkish drones, an embarrassment to Moscow, which has sold the system to countries around the world.
Elite Russian mercenaries Wagner Group run out of Tripoli by Turkish forces
Russia’s elite mercenary corps, the Wagner Group, has been forced into a humiliating retreat in a victory for Turkey’s rival military adventure in Libya.
Hundreds of men were filmed driving south from the capital, Tripoli, towards the town of Bani Walid, after their local allies announced a pullback from a number of front lines. They were then said to have flown on to a rear base, taking with them artillery and other heavy weapons.
The group, run by Yevgeny Prigozhin, a close associate of President Putin, played a key role in the Syrian civil war before being sent to support the rebel Libyan National Army (LNA) of Khalifa Haftar, a Russian-backed former-army officer from the regime of Colonel Gaddafi. In December Turkey came to the aid of the UN-recognised government with military drones and mercenaries of its own — Syrian rebel veterans of that country’s own civil war.
After giving up some of their last strongholds in the south of Tripoli over the weekend, Wagner Group troops were filmed retreating through the desert. It is unclear what further part they will play in the fighting. A UN report last week revealed that the LNA had been trying to recruit a second mercenary force, run by a South African businessman, although that also withdrew from Tripoli after a row with Marshal Haftar......
The arrival of the Wagner force helped the LNA assault on Tripoli in April last year, which for a moment looked as if it might succeed. However, a new and relatively static front opened up in the southern suburbs until the Turkish intervention in late December.
Pro-GNA media claimed that 1,500 Wagner troops had fled to Bani Walid, taking artillery and other heavy weapons with them. The GNA army spokesman, Mohammed Gununu, said they had withdrawn from three military camps in southern Tripoli and the suburb of Salaheddin.
The GNA is said to be preparing an offensive against Tarhouna, the last LNA stronghold in western Libya after the al-Watiya military base to the west of Tripoli fell last week. During fighting there, at least seven Russian Pantsir anti-aircraft batteries were destroyed by Turkish drones, an embarrassment to Moscow, which has sold the system to countries around the world.
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 32,883
Received 2,825 Likes
on
1,205 Posts
It would appear Russia has now sent fighter jets to Libya to support their mercs.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...es/ar-BB14CcyO
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...es/ar-BB14CcyO
It would appear Russia has now sent fighter jets to Libya to support their mercs.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...es/ar-BB14CcyO
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...es/ar-BB14CcyO
wagner group has reportedly withdrawn from libya, there are various reports some saying they have withdrawn completely after an agreement with turkey that they would not attack the transports to they are withdrawing to another location.
Sounds like they really need the airpower as the turkish drones were making mincemeat of them
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/mili...-libya/1853423
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...200905871.html