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Old 17th Dec 2019, 20:31
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So, hmm, who’s in the market for a 65,000 ton carrier without cats and traps, with no decent missile defence capability fitted, no ability to launch long endurance AEW aircraft, wholly dependent on a range and weapons load challenged V/STOL air platform whose mission critical software is controlled by a foreign power? It’s a small market perhaps.
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Old 17th Dec 2019, 22:13
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Two carriers.
Do keep up.
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The Japanese are going to buy VTOL F-35's for their destroyers - the PoW would fit their navy nicely
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 07:56
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Is the PoW strictly defensive? You know, with the Constitution and all.

Could it be painted to look smaller, like a humble helicopter carrier and submarine destroyer?
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Two carriers.
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But we're not trying to sell both of them - are we?
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 14:54
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But we're not trying to sell both of them - are we?
Neither of them are for sale. That's just the usual suspects on here in their echo chamber.
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"Neither of them are for sale" - true but there are already voices (eg Bro Hastings) saying sell them..................... that's not just the usual suspects on here I'm afraid
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Ahhh - the esteemed and always believable press again! Anyway, I thought this thread was about the fire-damaged floating slum with the crane-shaped hole in its deck.
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Stokers in white boiler suits? Not in the Royal Navy! White boiler suits were for the unemployed, i.e Engineer Officers and Warrant Officers. Lesser beings such as Stokers wore blue overalls known as 'ovies'!
You are absolutely right of course, since I was generally unemployed and accompanied by the unemployed, I did not encounter many blue overalls on my travels.

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Originally Posted by langleybaston
Two carriers.
Do keep up.
Loving the ambition! Flogging one of them would be hard enough.
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Vessels being feminine is an English characteristic, Russia always refers to vessels in the masculine.
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Old 16th Jan 2020, 07:31
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We've had this argument on other threads (AT LENGTH) and the vast majority say if you're writing in English you adopt English usage and if you are writing in Russian you adopt Russian usage.

You should however be aware of what the other options are
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Old 12th May 2020, 07:46
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https://tass.com/defense/1154431

Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier planned for sea trials in fall 2022

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Old 16th Aug 2022, 06:51
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United Shipbuilding Corporation's Alexey Rakhmanov said the Admiral Kuznetsov is scheduled to be returned to the Russian Navy in 2024 and it will serve for at least 25 years, which seems highly unlikely.

https://www.militarynews.ru/story.as...579318&lang=RU
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Old 9th Jan 2023, 22:26
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​​​​​​​In #Russia, the only Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov is reportedly in critical condition making it not seaworthy.

Metal structures below the third deck suffered significant corrosion. The holds are completely filled with muddy water.…..
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Old 9th Jan 2023, 23:50
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Well, back in the day, I called my 24' Santana sloop, it was a boat, by her name, 'Eos' and she had no problem with it.
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Note the two British carriers - Queen Elizabeth and Prince of Wales - both "She"
In this day and time in the sense of equity and one's choice of identification....should it not be the "Princess of Wales" if she is the preferred pronoun?
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Old 10th Jan 2023, 01:29
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In this day and time in the sense of equity and one's choice of identification....should it not be the "Princess of Wales" if she is the preferred pronoun?
Arc Royal would sound better
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Old 10th Jan 2023, 01:45
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Oh, how ship-ist of you Sassy! If a boat wants to self-identify as an aircraft carrier, then you must not offend him/her/it/them/they/whatever.
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Old 10th Jan 2023, 04:31
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Aviators used to refer to their ride in the feminine, do they now call it an "it"?
The Royal Navy has always gloried in its traditions, none more so than the tradition of naming ships. A ship’s name, motto and badge serve as a great source of pride for its crew and a historic pride in the tradition of ships’ forebears. Names such as Ark Royal, Queen Elizabeth, or Invincible have often been repeated in British naval vessels since the days of the age of sail.Today ships of the Royal Navy are usually named either in terms of royalty such as Prince of Wales, or Royal Sovereign or with martial terms such as Astute, Daring or Defiant. Medium ships such as cruisers have also been traditionally named after British cities such as Glasgow, Cardiff or Belfast. British tradition differs somewhat from other major navies, such as the US, French or Russian which often name major warships after named historic figures.

Another tradition is to consider ships as female, referring to them as ‘she’. Although it may sound strange referring to an inanimate object as ‘she’, this tradition relates to the idea of a female figure such as a mother or goddess guiding and protecting a ship and crew. Another idea is that in many languages, objects are referred to using feminine or masculine nouns. This is less common in English which tends to use gender-neutral nouns, however referring to ships as ‘she’ may refer to far more ancient traditions.

Interestingly, Captain Ernst Lindemann of the German battleship Bismarck referred to his ship as ‘he’, in view of its awesome power. In popular parlance, the tradition of naming ships ‘she’ has now become less common. It's worth noting that the shipping industry newspaper, Lloyd's Register of Shipping, now calls ships ‘it’.
https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/why-d...-have-a-gender
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