Lossiemouth Upgrades

[esscee]

Lots of stroppy jocks in many places, not just here.

[Union Jack]

Originally Posted by esscee

Lots of stroppy jocks in many places, not just here.

Some of whom probably end up with soppy jock straps, especially as they get older.....

Jack

[NutLoose]

Originally Posted by Alan Baker

The SNP have been very clear in stating that HM The Queen would remain head of state of an independent Scotland, as part of their falling over backwards to assure Scots that nothing would really change, as in "you'll still get East Enders and Strictly, Ken Bruce on Radio 2" etc. etc. In their manifesto they even stated that they would not be in any hurry to set up a driver and vehicle licensing agency or a civil aviation authority but would continue to use the DVLA in Swansea and the CAA in London.

That smacks more of economical reasoning than anything else, one assumes they will pay for the services, it also is a heck of an assumption by the SNP that the rest of the U.K. would agree to it and that a hard border would not be erected by us, especially as they wish to rejoin the EU., though services wise it's probably going to be a two way track at first.
As for the bases listed above Lossiemouth, Kinloss, Leuchars, Macrahanish etc, plus all the Army and Naval bases, that's a lot for their burgeoning independent country to take on financially.

[OilCan]

NutLoose There ye go again showing yer age.

RAF Lossiemouth is the only flying station left in Scotland.
Kinloss & Leuchars have been Army for nearly 10 years and Macrahanish has been deactiveated for nearly 25!!!

Rosyth is already earmarked for closure in 2022 leaving Faslane/Coulport as the only RN base.

No wonder the Union is in the state it is when PLANKS like you still have a vote...

Why do you need a hard border with Scotland, why cann't we have one of those invisible electronic none existent borders that the Bungling Bufoon has planned for NI?

[NutLoose]

I know Kinloss and Leuchars are army, they took the troops coming back from Germany, I also know machrahanish closed, hands up to that, I was simply referring to the bases mentioned on here without thinking, the Royal Navy has more bases than you infer btw.f

Don't get me wrong I would love to see Scotland get full autonomy, if that is what they want, I however feel sorry for those that do not want it or are scared to voice that, because I think it will fail, I think putting their hopes on an economy that is propped up on dwindling oil reserves is doomed from the offset. And as for Corbyns idea of pumping extra billions into Scotland to improve everything and then allowing them a vote to leave... Simply barking.

I also know Northern Ireland is part of the U.K. and will remain so for the foreseeable future therefore there is no hard border required between them, however If Scotland becomes independent then it is no longer part of the UK so in theory should have a hard border. Obviously something you cannot understand.


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[Asturias56]

"Northern Ireland is part of the U.K. and will remain so for the foreseeable future "

Until the demographics tip over - there is a steady increase in the population likely to vote for joining the Republic and the Unionist numbers are steadily falling.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...orth-1.3891032

On the other hand I can remember having a beer with a well known Dublin politician 10 years back and he said "Of course everyone itneh Republic is in favour of unification - just as long as it doesn't happen in their lifetime. No-one has a clue how it would work out."

[MarkD]

Treaty ports

Surely in the event of Indy the same arrangement would be made as was done in 1921 in Ireland - rUK to operate Faslane and other facilities as Sovereign Base Areas while Scotland stands up its own capabilities. It took almost two decades for the Treaty Ports to disappear in Ireland.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_Ports_(Ireland)

[Asturias56]

Surely? Surely?? It'll be a negotiation - and if it's between Ms Sturgeon & Boris it will be very short - as an Independent country they can decide exactly what is there and what is not there - looking at their Manifesto it looks pretty clear.....................

"Scrap Trident SNP MPs will build a cross-party coalition to scrap Trident as quickly and as safely as possible. We believe the billions spent on Trident should be invested in our public services

Scrapping Trident The SNP has never and will never support the retention or renewal of Trident. We believe that nuclear weapons are immoral, ineffective and expensive. We want to see a world free from nuclear weapons, and with independence, Scotland can be an advocate for disarmament on the global stage. In times of imposed austerity, the estimated £205 billion to be spent on a Trident replacement over the next 30 years could be far more effectively used to support our public services and build a better future for our children. At Westminster SNP MPs will build a cross-party coalition to scrap Trident as quickly and as safely as possible. We will press the UK government to meet their international obligations on nuclear disarmament."

[NutLoose]

Scrap Trident SNP MPs will build a cross-party coalition to scrap Trident as quickly and as safely as possible. We believe the billions spent on Trident should be invested in our public services.

Scrapping Trident The SNP has never and will never support the retention or renewal of Trident. We believe that nuclear weapons are immoral, ineffective and expensive. We want to see a world free from nuclear weapons, and with independence, Scotland can be an advocate for disarmament on the global stage. In times of imposed austerity, the estimated £205 billion to be spent on a Trident replacement over the next 30 years could be far more effectively used to support our public services and build a better future for our children. At Westminster SNP MPs will build a cross-party coalition to scrap Trident as quickly and as safely as possible. We will press the UK government to meet their international obligations on nuclear

But if Scotland gets independence then they will not have a say in scrapping it, nor indeed how the budget is spent, indeed there would be no Scots MP's at all in Westminster.

[OilCan]

Originally Posted by NutLoose

I know Kinloss and Leuchars are army, they took the troops coming back from Germany, I also know machrahanish closed, hands up to that, I was simply referring to the bases mentioned on here without thinking, the Royal Navy has more bases than you infer btw.f

Kinloss took 39 Engineer Regt from Waterbeach in Cambridgeshire. Waterbeach camp was then sold off for housing.
You'll need to enlighten me on the Navy bases (Marines don't count).? - and Lossiemouth hasn't been Navy since 1972...

I think putting their hopes on an economy that is propped up on dwindling oil reserves is doomed from the offset. And as for Corbyns idea of pumping extra billions into Scotland to improve everything and then allowing them a vote to leave... Simply barking.

If that were the case, I would agree with you - but it isn't. By your own admission, your lack of thinking is leading you to false assumptions, you really need to do more homework on other aspects of the Scottish economy.

I also know Northern Ireland is part of the U.K. and will remain so for the foreseeable future therefore there is no hard border required between them, however If Scotland becomes independent then it is no longer part of the UK so in theory should have a hard border. Obviously something you cannot understand.

????? I take it you've been following the debate on the Border issues in NI???

[OilCan]

Originally Posted by NutLoose

But if Scotland gets independence then they will not have a say in scrapping it, nor indeed how the budget is spent, indeed there would be no Scots MP's at all in Westminster.

...so you'd better decide pretty quickly where you want to put them when the Subs are sent south and the warheads are trundling down the M74. (that's a main road that crosses the border)
Quality thinking again...nice one.

[Asturias56]

"you'd better decide pretty quickly where you want to put them when the Subs are sent south and the warheads are trundling down the M74"

Steer clear of Acklington & Burghfield................... that's where they are normally parked up in England

[Davef68]

Kinloss and Leuchars still retain some aviation facilities, indeed Leuchars still has an active RAF flying unit, and both are scheduled to receive Lossie aircraft whilst the runway at Lossie is resurfaced.

And it's only 4 years since Leuchars ceased to be RAF controlled

[Asturias56]

2Steer clear of Acklington & Burghfield."

Durrbrain - of course not Acklington - which is a prison these days - Ouston - west of Newcastle

[Alan Baker]

Originally Posted by Davef68

Kinloss and Leuchars still retain some aviation facilities, indeed Leuchars still has an active RAF flying unit, and both are scheduled to receive Lossie aircraft whilst the runway at Lossie is resurfaced.

And it's only 4 years since Leuchars ceased to be RAF controlled

Presumably, the golfers with private jets will be hoping Leuchars is still available for the 2021 Open Championship at St. Andrews!

[lonsdale2]

Lossie latest

Twitter

On track apparently

[MFC_Fly]

Originally Posted by Davef68

Kinloss and Leuchars still retain some aviation facilities, indeed Leuchars still has an active RAF flying unit

As does Kinloss - in fact they are currently on bolthole to Lossie whilst the Kinloss runway is being resurfaced

[Richard Dangle]

On track apparently

A post on the subject...it's a Christmas miracle

[OilCan]

Originally Posted by MFC_Fly

As does Kinloss - in fact they are currently on bolthole to Lossie whilst the Kinloss runway is being resurfaced

Yep, I still go there quite often. There remains an eerie sense of suspended animation about the place even down to the smell of AVTUR and the whine of the Speys...

Of course it could just be my hallucinations..

[Richard Dangle]

Wow! 10 years stateside for those seedcorn peeps (mighty fine fellows, I taught some of them). That's a helluva gig, well played sirs

Quick 12 months at Ice Station Lima, an appearance on "Home in the Sun", cue sun-downers sans brexit Britain (or the People's Republic of Caledonia, if that is what it is to be).

Love it