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Can I ask where you guys get the impression that Scotland wants Independence?
The SNP do, but in a referendum in 2014, 52% of people voted to stay as part of the UK/GB, call it what you will.
Ms Sturgeon, and her hordes of 16 and 17 year old numpties who were allowed to vote in that ref. seem to think it's a done deal - but as far as most sensible people are concerned, it's not.
Anyway, if she gets her way (and please Boris, don't let her), and she loses again, we'll have another shot in four or five years. It's like kids who want a sweetie, and don't get it - they keep saying 'please, please, please' until they get their own way, and so much for the last 'once in a generation ref.
As Ruth Davidson ( former leader of Conservatives In Scotland) said of wee Nic 'she goes to sleep thinking of ways to get Scotland Independence, and wakes up thinking the same' - never bothering about things like education, health service, etc, that a Government is supposed to bother about.
Rant over.
The SNP do, but in a referendum in 2014, 52% of people voted to stay as part of the UK/GB, call it what you will.
Ms Sturgeon, and her hordes of 16 and 17 year old numpties who were allowed to vote in that ref. seem to think it's a done deal - but as far as most sensible people are concerned, it's not.
Anyway, if she gets her way (and please Boris, don't let her), and she loses again, we'll have another shot in four or five years. It's like kids who want a sweetie, and don't get it - they keep saying 'please, please, please' until they get their own way, and so much for the last 'once in a generation ref.
As Ruth Davidson ( former leader of Conservatives In Scotland) said of wee Nic 'she goes to sleep thinking of ways to get Scotland Independence, and wakes up thinking the same' - never bothering about things like education, health service, etc, that a Government is supposed to bother about.
Rant over.
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I guess the Scottish Independence Party (for that is what they are) think that because income tax raised in Scotland was used (in part) to buy these defence assets, that have some ownership of them.
As many have pointed out, there is a manning issue. There are, I suspect too few people trained in the broad range of skills required who would wish to locate in Alba.
This could be rectified in time, but it would entail a 'Free Scotland' to either set up training schools or pay for the tuition at English, or other units.
Their 'wish list' of assets to which they feel 'entitled to' are beyond what they have costed in terms of setting up and running.
Like most of their manifesto ... it is deeply flawed.
I guess the Scottish Independence Party (for that is what they are) think that because income tax raised in Scotland was used (in part) to buy these defence assets, that have some ownership of them.
As many have pointed out, there is a manning issue. There are, I suspect too few people trained in the broad range of skills required who would wish to locate in Alba.
This could be rectified in time, but it would entail a 'Free Scotland' to either set up training schools or pay for the tuition at English, or other units.
Their 'wish list' of assets to which they feel 'entitled to' are beyond what they have costed in terms of setting up and running.
Like most of their manifesto ... it is deeply flawed.
https://publications.parliament.uk/p.../152/15208.htm
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One thing is for sure, however, if a newly independent England wishes to maintain an independent submarine based nuclear deterrent,
Remember, it's you leaving us, not us leaving you
A "United Kingdom" of what? The Union of England and Scotland from 1707 is called Great Britain (Article 1, Act of Union, 1707). Great Britain united with Ireland (then one single country) in 1800 to become the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Upon partition of Ireland in 1922 this became the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. If Scotland and England split, Great Britain ceases to exist. So what would you call what's left? Bear in mind the real possibility of an executed Brexit leading to a reunited Ireland (where demographically the population will anyway be majority Catholic by 2025).
Can I ask where you guys get the impression that Scotland wants Independence?
The SNP do, but in a referendum in 2014, 52% of people voted to stay as part of the UK/GB, call it what you will.
Ms Sturgeon, and her hordes of 16 and 17 year old numpties who were allowed to vote in that ref. seem to think it's a done deal - but as far as most sensible people are concerned, it's not.
Anyway, if she gets her way (and please Boris, don't let her), and she loses again, we'll have another shot in four or five years. It's like kids who want a sweetie, and don't get it - they keep saying 'please, please, please' until they get their own way, and so much for the last 'once in a generation ref.
As Ruth Davidson ( former leader of Conservatives In Scotland) said of wee Nic 'she goes to sleep thinking of ways to get Scotland Independence, and wakes up thinking the same' - never bothering about things like education, health service, etc, that a Government is supposed to bother about.
Rant over.
The SNP do, but in a referendum in 2014, 52% of people voted to stay as part of the UK/GB, call it what you will.
Ms Sturgeon, and her hordes of 16 and 17 year old numpties who were allowed to vote in that ref. seem to think it's a done deal - but as far as most sensible people are concerned, it's not.
Anyway, if she gets her way (and please Boris, don't let her), and she loses again, we'll have another shot in four or five years. It's like kids who want a sweetie, and don't get it - they keep saying 'please, please, please' until they get their own way, and so much for the last 'once in a generation ref.
As Ruth Davidson ( former leader of Conservatives In Scotland) said of wee Nic 'she goes to sleep thinking of ways to get Scotland Independence, and wakes up thinking the same' - never bothering about things like education, health service, etc, that a Government is supposed to bother about.
Rant over.
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A "United Kingdom" of what? The Union of England and Scotland from 1707 is called Great Britain (Article 1, Act of Union, 1707). Great Britain united with Ireland (then one single country) in 1800 to become the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Upon partition of Ireland in 1922 this became the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. If Scotland and England split, Great Britain ceases to exist. So what would you call what's left? Bear in mind the real possibility of an executed Brexit leading to a reunited Ireland (where demographically the population will anyway be majority Catholic by 2025).
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When Scotland goes Independent we wouldn't want our frontline assets in a foreign country?
We've had our frontline assets in foreign countries before when facing a threat. RAF Germany worked fine, if Scotland (and Wales) went independent then RAF Scotland (RAF Wales) would work just as well.
In these cases this was mostly done on a 'whatever's on your territory is yours' kind-of-a-fashion. On that basis, the P-8s would be Scotland's.
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Flawed logic there old chap ... The UK Independent Deterrent is in Scottish territory - there's no way that this asset would end up in Scottish hands, nor would Scotland get the P-8 Fleet. The model that works is that of 'UK' assets based in former UK locations, owned by UK but providing local revenue for the host nation.
In any 'divvied-up' scenario see post 18 above for some light on the subject.
Flawed logic there old chap ... The UK Independent Deterrent is in Scottish territory - there's no way that this asset would end up in Scottish hands, nor would Scotland get the P-8 Fleet. The model that works is that of 'UK' assets based in former UK locations, owned by UK but providing local revenue for the host nation.
In any 'divvied-up' scenario see post 18 above for some light on the subject.
Mil-26Man
Flawed logic there old chap ... The UK Independent Deterrent is in Scottish territory - there's no way that this asset would end up in Scottish hands, nor would Scotland get the P-8 Fleet. The model that works is that of 'UK' assets based in former UK locations, owned by UK but providing local revenue for the host nation.
In any 'divvied-up' scenario see post 18 above for some light on the subject.
Flawed logic there old chap ... The UK Independent Deterrent is in Scottish territory - there's no way that this asset would end up in Scottish hands, nor would Scotland get the P-8 Fleet. The model that works is that of 'UK' assets based in former UK locations, owned by UK but providing local revenue for the host nation.
In any 'divvied-up' scenario see post 18 above for some light on the subject.
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Mil-26Man
Flawed logic there old chap ... The UK Independent Deterrent is in Scottish territory - there's no way that this asset would end up in Scottish hands, nor would Scotland get the P-8 Fleet. The model that works is that of 'UK' assets based in former UK locations, owned by UK but providing local revenue for the host nation.
In any 'divvied-up' scenario see post 18 above for some light on the subject.
Flawed logic there old chap ... The UK Independent Deterrent is in Scottish territory - there's no way that this asset would end up in Scottish hands, nor would Scotland get the P-8 Fleet. The model that works is that of 'UK' assets based in former UK locations, owned by UK but providing local revenue for the host nation.
In any 'divvied-up' scenario see post 18 above for some light on the subject.
You forgot to mention the Wales and Berwick Act 1746 in the union. As far as Wales goes ... it lasted until the Welsh Language Act in 1967.
As for my awkward little hometown (Berwick upon Tweed) the act was still in force until 1978 when Berwick was placed in England (for now as we say)
As for my awkward little hometown (Berwick upon Tweed) the act was still in force until 1978 when Berwick was placed in England (for now as we say)
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As jolly as all this politics stuff is any chance of an actual update on the matter in hand, from an old ex-kipper mate?
Specifically, when do we expect to sent the first operational sortie out of Lossie?
Since I know people can be a bit slippery with the "truth" in these days of fake news, maybe it would be of help if I set down my own (very personal) definition of what a proper operational sortie is...
A bunch of guys n gals living on or near said RAF base pitch up at oh oh god it's early to get briefed by a bunch of other guys n gals also living on or near said RAF Base.
Said bunch bus out and strap on their shiny new four-jet, which has been prepped by a bunch of other guys n gals... (you get the picture)
Some long, or not so long, hours later, shiny new four-jet arrives home and one bunch is debriefed by another bunch.
The flying bunch head to scruffs bar (or bars, if our bunch is still mixed rank) for a proper debrief.
Some hours later, smelling of curry, beer and whatever the shiny new jet uses for hydraulic power, our heroic bunch arrive home and try and convince their wives, husband, mixed-gender partners, to bump uglies.
With mixed success.
So when is this expected to happen for the first time?
any chance of an actual update on the matter in hand, from an old ex-kipper mate?Specifically, when do we expect to sent the first operational sortie out of Lossie?
Since I know people can be a bit slippery with the "truth" in these days of fake news, maybe it would be of help if I set down my own (very personal) definition of what a proper operational sortie is...
A bunch of guys n gals living on or near said RAF base pitch up at oh oh god it's early to get briefed by a bunch of other guys n gals also living on or near said RAF Base.
Said bunch bus out and strap on their shiny new four-jet, which has been prepped by a bunch of other guys n gals... (you get the picture)
Some long, or not so long, hours later, shiny new four-jet arrives home and one bunch is debriefed by another bunch.
The flying bunch head to scruffs bar (or bars, if our bunch is still mixed rank) for a proper debrief.
Some hours later, smelling of curry, beer and whatever the shiny new jet uses for hydraulic power, our heroic bunch arrive home and try and convince their wives, husband, mixed-gender partners, to bump uglies.
With mixed success.
So when is this expected to happen for the first time?
Mentioning Salmon and Sturgeon in the same sentence gives the impression that there is something "fishy" about the SNP. Wonder what the next SNP leader's name might be?