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When there is /if there is a second indyref, I demand a vote.
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But surely that depends on several factors, I foresee if Scotland splits away from the Union then the rest of the U.K. will enter into negotiations as to where and what we will provide or not and that it will be tied to assurances over the likes of Faslane. Which the SNP have already made clear they want shot off.
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Berwick to Carlisle is NOT the border, that border was the Roman one, The border is about 8 miles North of Carlisle nr Gretna.
I know because I originate from there, our family name is one of the families that hark back to the Border Rievers, a bunch of murderous cutthroat borderers that used to roam the lowlands of Scotland, raping and pillaging the local Scottish population.... If they do get independence, one does wonder if the family can take up their old trade again
I know because I originate from there, our family name is one of the families that hark back to the Border Rievers, a bunch of murderous cutthroat borderers that used to roam the lowlands of Scotland, raping and pillaging the local Scottish population.... If they do get independence, one does wonder if the family can take up their old trade again
Your authority for this figure of £2000 is? And, why do you demand a vote in IndyRef2? Here's a thought. Instead of having a second independence referendum, why doesn't the Westminster parliament simply legislate to split up the union if Scotland is such a drain on resources? Think how rich and powerful an Independent England would be on its own.
Getting back to Nutloose's original observation, RAF planners and DE&S procurers are in a difficult position.
Many of them will still recall that one of the successful components of the RMPA/Nimrod 2000/Nimrod MRA4 programme (a relative term, given it was a certainty to fail) was the infrastructure at Kinloss, much of which was on schedule when (at various times) the programme was extended, and finally cancelled. (It remains unclear if the huge cost of this was included in the headline ~£4Bn waste).
Given the tendency of the Services to change requirements, sometimes with legitimate reason, such background, but still fundamental, tasks are fraught with the risk that they may be rendered redundant before being put to use. My guess is this was all recognised and a decision made not to commit too early.
Many of them will still recall that one of the successful components of the RMPA/Nimrod 2000/Nimrod MRA4 programme (a relative term, given it was a certainty to fail) was the infrastructure at Kinloss, much of which was on schedule when (at various times) the programme was extended, and finally cancelled. (It remains unclear if the huge cost of this was included in the headline ~£4Bn waste).
Given the tendency of the Services to change requirements, sometimes with legitimate reason, such background, but still fundamental, tasks are fraught with the risk that they may be rendered redundant before being put to use. My guess is this was all recognised and a decision made not to commit too early.
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Getting back to Nutloose's original observation, RAF planners and DE&S procurers are in a difficult position.
Many of them will still recall that one of the successful components of the RMPA/Nimrod 2000/Nimrod MRA4 programme (a relative term, given it was a certainty to fail) was the infrastructure at Kinloss, much of which was on schedule when (at various times) the programme was extended, and finally cancelled. (It remains unclear if the huge cost of this was included in the headline ~£4Bn waste).
Given the tendency of the Services to change requirements, sometimes with legitimate reason, such background, but still fundamental, tasks are fraught with the risk that they may be rendered redundant before being put to use. My guess is this was all recognised and a decision made not to commit too early.
Many of them will still recall that one of the successful components of the RMPA/Nimrod 2000/Nimrod MRA4 programme (a relative term, given it was a certainty to fail) was the infrastructure at Kinloss, much of which was on schedule when (at various times) the programme was extended, and finally cancelled. (It remains unclear if the huge cost of this was included in the headline ~£4Bn waste).
Given the tendency of the Services to change requirements, sometimes with legitimate reason, such background, but still fundamental, tasks are fraught with the risk that they may be rendered redundant before being put to use. My guess is this was all recognised and a decision made not to commit too early.
Then factor in the time to firm up a basing decision, draw up requirements, let the contracts, start building, and you end up where we are today.
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In fact the threat from up north is so serious, Keflavik might get some temporary residents in the near future a a guess
Perhaps re-base to the Shetlands............
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"Berwick to Carlisle is NOT the border, that border was the Roman one,"
Wrong Nut - the original Roman border was Hadrian's Wall from west of Carlisle to Wallsend along the N side of the Tyne Valley . Then for about 80 years it ran across the center of Scotland at the Roman turf Wall.
Berwick never featured on any Roman border
The current border was, and is, really a line along the high ground - for years it was a "debatable land" and kings of Scotland & England owned land on either side of the current line
"Berwick to Carlisle is NOT the border, that border was the Roman one,"
Wrong Nut - the original Roman border was Hadrian's Wall from west of Carlisle to Wallsend along the N side of the Tyne Valley . Then for about 80 years it ran across the center of Scotland at the Roman turf Wall.
Berwick never featured on any Roman border
The current border was, and is, really a line along the high ground - for years it was a "debatable land" and kings of Scotland & England owned land on either side of the current line
I think its even simpler than that. The decision to procure Poseidon OTS, off the back of an existing USN order, essentially meant the lead time between order and delivery was much shorter than would typically be the case, if we'd had a long winded procurement, bespoke purchase, etc.
Then factor in the time to firm up a basing decision, draw up requirements, let the contracts, start building, and you end up where we are today.
Then factor in the time to firm up a basing decision, draw up requirements, let the contracts, start building, and you end up where we are today.
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PEDANT ALERT
"Berwick to Carlisle is NOT the border, that border was the Roman one,"
Wrong Nut - the original Roman border was Hadrian's Wall from west of Carlisle to Wallsend along the N side of the Tyne Valley . Then for about 80 years it ran across the center of Scotland at the Roman turf Wall.
Berwick never featured on any Roman border
The current border was, and is, really a line along the high ground - for years it was a "debatable land" and kings of Scotland & England owned land on either side of the current line
"Berwick to Carlisle is NOT the border, that border was the Roman one,"
Wrong Nut - the original Roman border was Hadrian's Wall from west of Carlisle to Wallsend along the N side of the Tyne Valley . Then for about 80 years it ran across the center of Scotland at the Roman turf Wall.
Berwick never featured on any Roman border
The current border was, and is, really a line along the high ground - for years it was a "debatable land" and kings of Scotland & England owned land on either side of the current line
It is about 200 yards from my late mums house and I used to drive / walk over it every day for the first 16 years of my life.
As for the floating border, at one time it was just outside Derby.
https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryU...order-Reivers/
but hey ho, back on subject
https://www.janes.com/article/92569/...ons-to-iceland
But surely that depends on several factors, I foresee if Scotland splits away from the Union then the rest of the U.K. will enter into negotiations as to where and what we will provide or not and that it will be tied to assurances over the likes of Faslane. Which the SNP have already made clear they want shot off.
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PEDANT ALERT
"Berwick to Carlisle is NOT the border, that border was the Roman one,"
Wrong Nut - the original Roman border was Hadrian's Wall from west of Carlisle to Wallsend along the N side of the Tyne Valley . Then for about 80 years it ran across the center of Scotland at the Roman turf Wall.
Berwick never featured on any Roman border
The current border was, and is, really a line along the high ground - for years it was a "debatable land" and kings of Scotland & England owned land on either side of the current line
"Berwick to Carlisle is NOT the border, that border was the Roman one,"
Wrong Nut - the original Roman border was Hadrian's Wall from west of Carlisle to Wallsend along the N side of the Tyne Valley . Then for about 80 years it ran across the center of Scotland at the Roman turf Wall.
Berwick never featured on any Roman border
The current border was, and is, really a line along the high ground - for years it was a "debatable land" and kings of Scotland & England owned land on either side of the current line
PEDANT ALERT
"Berwick to Carlisle is NOT the border, that border was the Roman one,"
Wrong Nut - the original Roman border was Hadrian's Wall from west of Carlisle to Wallsend along the N side of the Tyne Valley . Then for about 80 years it ran across the center of Scotland at the Roman turf Wall.
Berwick never featured on any Roman border
The current border was, and is, really a line along the high ground - for years it was a "debatable land" and kings of Scotland & England owned land on either side of the current line
"Berwick to Carlisle is NOT the border, that border was the Roman one,"
Wrong Nut - the original Roman border was Hadrian's Wall from west of Carlisle to Wallsend along the N side of the Tyne Valley . Then for about 80 years it ran across the center of Scotland at the Roman turf Wall.
Berwick never featured on any Roman border
The current border was, and is, really a line along the high ground - for years it was a "debatable land" and kings of Scotland & England owned land on either side of the current line
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But surely that depends on several factors, I foresee if Scotland splits away from the Union then the rest of the U.K. will enter into negotiations as to where and what we will provide or not and that it will be tied to assurances over the likes of Faslane. Which the SNP have already made clear they want shot off.
Video Mixdown,
I guess the Scottish Independence Party (for that is what they are) think that because income tax raised in Scotland was used (in part) to buy these defence assets, that have some ownership of them.
As many have pointed out, there is a manning issue. There are, I suspect too few people trained in the broad range of skills required who would wish to locate in Alba.
This could be rectified in time, but it would entail a 'Free Scotland' to either set up training schools or pay for the tuition at English, or other units.
Their 'wish list' of assets to which they feel 'entitled to' are beyond what they have costed in terms of setting up and running.
Like most of their manifesto ... it is deeply flawed.
I guess the Scottish Independence Party (for that is what they are) think that because income tax raised in Scotland was used (in part) to buy these defence assets, that have some ownership of them.
As many have pointed out, there is a manning issue. There are, I suspect too few people trained in the broad range of skills required who would wish to locate in Alba.
This could be rectified in time, but it would entail a 'Free Scotland' to either set up training schools or pay for the tuition at English, or other units.
Their 'wish list' of assets to which they feel 'entitled to' are beyond what they have costed in terms of setting up and running.
Like most of their manifesto ... it is deeply flawed.
Video Mixdown,
I guess the Scottish Independence Party (for that is what they are) think that because income tax raised in Scotland was used (in part) to buy these defence assets, that have some ownership of them.
I guess the Scottish Independence Party (for that is what they are) think that because income tax raised in Scotland was used (in part) to buy these defence assets, that have some ownership of them.
Best regards from another ex-denizen of HAS59!
