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Old 23rd Nov 2019, 09:44
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Blew out fires within 100 meters in if my memory is correct was slow burning peat fires, spent time on that range and it's mainly moss and some pine trees...would take quite a few GBU's to knock out the kinds of fires we see down here!
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Old 23rd Nov 2019, 11:00
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Originally Posted by finestkind View Post
typerated not to certain where you are headed. The post is about fighting fires and the use of ADF assets in doing so.
I would have thought it was pretty obvious where it is heading!

Undoubted the ADF should be 'defending' the country though - what could be more priority!

How much have they spent in the sandpit and for what?

But while aircraft are of useful value in fire fighting, they are far from a silver bullet. - and become less so as the climate changes, fires get bigger and the ground drier.

A few more aircraft will be useful but a drop in the ocean when you consider what the forecasted environment has in store for us...

Having been evacuated early this year with a bushfire, aircraft were pretty impotent in aggressive conditions.

Seeing Scott Morrison's denials just make me think we are doomed. I do wonder how far down this road we will go before the penny really drops where we are going!
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Old 23rd Nov 2019, 19:07
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typerated.I am often accused of not staying on subject and jumping ahead or back and confusing the discussion. I just wanted to confirm what your point was before responding, which is, this is not a post on climate change (either start one yourself (if you have fantastic) or more than likely go to one that is running). Not a post on who or what started the fires. Not a post on finding or suggesting using ADF assets will provide a “silver bullet”. In aggressive conditions nothing we have in our arsenal will have an impact on the fire but suggest you talk to someone who’s house/home has been saved by aerial assets and get their point of view about the “drop in the ocean” of having a few more aerial assets.The sun will explode in 4 or 5 billion years, not really a discussion point for this post. The population explosion and diminishing resources is going to destroy civilisation (if we can call it that) before climate change but not a discussion point on this post.So would it be a positive drop in the ocean to have a few more aerial assets available and could we utilise the ADF assets to do so. This is the discussion point of the post.
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 05:49
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Crewman? What crewman

Another indication of the misunderstanding of professional aerial firefighting: no commercial operation can afford to take out 100 litres in exchange for talking ballast. The wiring for the bucket operation (many multi dump these days, not just one load) is usually integral in the cyclic or collective hence Ascend Charlie comments, which are from the knowledge base of civil operations. Not decrying the use of a crewman if power and payload are to spare, eg Chinook, but intense campaign fires don't have that luxury in the Australian heat and conditions.

I'd dearly like to see a planned military backup available for intense bushfires, but this inevitable knee jerk reaction demanding unplanned firefront support helps no-one in the short term. Best support at the moment is for Firebird/Observation use of Mil plus transport: currently KC-30 from 33 Squadron RAAF are flying support CFA firefighters from/back to Victoria to give a rest to the RFS troops in Queensland and NSW.

Long term the States need to get their act together (along with NAFC) and stop the blame game. Ultimate insult today is the Queensland Premier calling out the Federal Government to buy a C-130, in spite of the VLAT availability negotiated between States for many years. Queensland has been well known for poor investment in firefighting support, and all States have responsibility for their own fire brigades but suddenly the green eyed monster has awoken because NSW have invested in their own 737 and Queensland hasn't!!
Am I allowed to comment now? or will I get banned for another week for having a different opinion? asking for a friend......
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